I contacted an older NHRA Tech man who is a Ford guy to see what may be listed on the 312-285 hp engine.  His reply was:

"I checked thru all of my info which I copied while in California concerning 1957 Fords and did not find any reference to a 312-285 engine. The only 312's shown are the 245, 270, and 300. It does not even show up in my old class guide book which covers back to 1950 Fords."

 

So it appears that NHRA never recognized this combination.

 

Does anyone recall anyone running in drag racing a 57 Ford with a 312-285 hp engine in Stock class?

 

Regards,

Dennis

  

Yes, the stock 312 270 hp 8V E code is the 256 deg cam.  This same cam was used across the board in 1957 from the 272 to the 312 300 hp S/C engine.  Yes, it is an EDB cam, but to clarify it is the EDB-6250-C, not D or E cam which were the high lift cams used in the supercharged engine. 

To date, no one has been able substantiate with documentation exactly what cam was used in the 312 285 hp 8V E Code engine.

Regards,

Dennis

  

 

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/57-Y-Block-CAM-Thunderbird-EDB-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem41501b208cQQitemZ280516829324QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

This Guy says this is an E code cam!!!

Gary Ryan San Antonio.TX.

[quote][b]" I get the distinct impression that some of the inquiries are intended to infer that some Fords were running in NASCAR & USAC illegally."

       Paul, I didn't mean that Ford was cheating, or at least not any more than anyone else. I know for a fact that the Pontiacs ran Isky stuff until the McKeller cams were developed. Keikhauffers Hemi's were turning 6000 + rpm's etc (hard to do with OE hydraulics). And yes I'm aware that they (Chrysler) offered a solid lifter 400hp version. Chevy had Duntov around by then etc. etc. They all used  aftyermarket parts.

          Actually I'm pretty sure that this is the basis for most of the confusion with the E code cars. The teams, Holmann Moody and others probably tried everything they could get their hands on and tried to get the factorys to put numbers on the stuff that worked. Original or not. Most of the parts raced probably never made it into the parts system. The biggest problem will be that the people who were involved are almost all gone now. All we have left is the rumors.

            

Frank/Rebop

Bristol, In ( by Elkhart) 

Re 285 hp camshaft:  I have contacted a number of former Ford colleagues who were there back then, re what cam it was and the specs.  To date, it appears the discussion keeps centering around either the blower or an Isky grind.  However, they in turn are contacting others.  I'm hoping someone turns up something tangible, or perhaps even an actual camshaft.  Stay tuned.

Regards,

Dennis

      

Ol Ford Guy/Paul J

So the "E" code vehicle that you own has dual valve springs from the factory?

Is it all original and are you the original owner or acquire it from the original owner.

If you think about it there is no reason to add additional springs on the valves if the cam was the regular "D" code camshaft.

Please refer to this previous post about the springs

http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Topic48238-5-2.aspx

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Dennis

Still diggin out my scanner so that I can post that 285 reference.Its under a huge pile!

I did mean the damper springs B6A-6513-D

I made an inquiry to Dave Tulowitzky who has probably seen the majority of the gate release invoices on T Birds that have been released.

He said that he has not yet seen any references to a high H.P. DSO on either the "E" or "F" cars.

He did comment that there may be such a designation,just that he has not yet seen one identified as such.

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John Mummert

I concur with the specs you posted on the cam you got from Wally.

It matchs the N.O.S. blower unit that I have .

The E2 specs you posted do not match the 1958 specifications issued by Isky.The E2 you posted the specs on probably is a later E2 version. Isky changed the specs thru the years on the E2.

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So still no definitive evidience on the 285 cam.

Oldmics

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The more I read here & in YBM about E & F code engines the more confusing it gets. I get the distinct impression that some of the inquiries are intended to infer that some Fords were running in NASCAR & USAC illegally. (when you beat a Chevrolet, you must be cheating..isn't that true?) As far as the dual 4 Bbl engines run by Ford in NASCAR in 1956 are concerned, if Ford's cams or other parts were illegal, it would likely have been discovered. For one thing, after a bad start to the season, late in the year Fords starting winning regularly, in spite of the Kiekhaufers teams Chrysler/Dodge juggernaut. I've read that Kiekhaufer protested the factory backed cars several times. Nearly all of his protests were denied...

Paul

Frank: Sorry, don't think I can copy & send it. My description of a brochure is a bit misleading. It's a very large photo copy, approx 14" x 20-1/2" & was possibly from a newspaper Ad. I found it at an Auto Swap meet.

Paul

Everything I have read said the E & F code cars came with the same cam as a D Code.  The E&F code cars however all came with dual valve springs.  My E Code car with original cam idles as smooth as you could imagine.  The optional 285 and 300+ Export cams were over the counter.  It sounds like there was some variance in these cams.  I don't think Ford ever listed the HP for an F code car with the export cam.

Paul J. - '57 E Code

Tom,  that's cool info!

Paul, any chance that you could scan and post a copy of that sales brochure. I'd really like to see that!

Frank/Rebop

Bristol, In ( by Elkhart)