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That FoMoCo engineering drawing for the EDB-6250-D camshaft posted above by Cliff does appear to be the elusive factory high lift camshaft for the Ford Y.  That drawing does confirm that this camshaft is ground on 110° lobe centers (crankshaft degrees) and has 0.290” lobe lift.  Additional deciphering of the numbers finds that it has 232° at 0.050” lifter rise on both the intake and exhaust lobes.  This camshaft is a symmetrical grind where both the intake and exhaust lobes are the same.  By today’s standards, this particular camshaft would still compete nicely with the modern camshaft designs in being a good street cam for spirited performance with just enough lope or sound to let you know that this camshaft is not a stocker.  Here’s a blowup of the numbers portion of that engineering drawing.
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Look at thishttp://forums.y-blocksforever.com/uploads/images/e84a45cb-9157-46c6-9163-b17.jpeg
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miker,
I am in Easter Pennsylvania (Amish country! - Lancaster County).  Have access to pure gas (no ethanol) and it tests consistently in the 87-91 Octane range.  I used to put aviation 100LL in the car and everything was perfect!!!  Well, maybe not perfect, but a whole lot better.  Either way, the AvGas is no longer an option.
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I have not seen the email.   Here is the direct address for a resend:  sweeptee@ptd.net
I will take a look at gofastmath.com
The 10.8 was a guess based on the reduction of cc's due to zero decking and milling.  The Jahns pistons are flat top, not domed, so likely not as high as 10.8  Not looking to operate on pump gas (corn syrup) and will avoid it unless on a long trip with no other options.
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Sweeptee, I sent the email this morning. 

Check out gofastmath.com. You can calculate your dynamic compression and horsepower. I0.8 static is pretty high. Milling the heads and zero-decking the block, alone, won't put you there. You must have pop-up (domed) pistons as well. A smaller cam will increase your dynamic compression ratio, as Miker said. E-85 might work, if it's available in your area. It's cheaper, but your mpg will be lower. I've not converted to E-85, but maybe somebody out there has, who will give you his 2 cents on the matter. 
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I was running 91-92 octane ethanol gas. Max 10%, but I've never checked it. The high priced racing fuel solved the problem-couldn't afford to drive it with that, but it didn't ping or detonate.

Solving the timing problem was helped by the fact it's a EFI car, and the computer controlled the timing. It doesn't have a smooth curve. If I were doing it again, I'd cut or replace the pistons and get back to 9 or 9.5 static.

I'm outside Seattle, 0 to 600ft above sea level. Whereabouts are you?

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Miker,
A worthy consideration.  What gas were/are you running?   I've had dieseling as an issue, but haven't had to slay the detonation dragon thus far.  I also do not consider myself an expert in any of this.  I do know that timing (or lack thereof) has been an issue on several of my rides.  Thanks for the heads up.
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I hate to add another level of confusion, but I've been thru this. I ran a 9:1 motor in my bird with the 270 Mummert cam. Great combo. But when I put the Mummert heads on with the small chambers, and went to 10.5:1 detonation became a real problem. We eventually worked it out with the timing curve. I don't pretend to fully understand the issue, but if you're going to less cam and you're at 10.8:1, you might need to look at the dynamic compression ratio as well as the static ratio. Ted Eaton and John Mummert were a lot of help to me on that and I've since done cam change. Hopefully he'll chime in.



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Again, thanks for input.  Really appreciate the descriptions of your vehicle, performance and cam specs.  This is exactly what I need.
55blacktie, I'll be on the lookout for the email.  And yes, Mummert's Y-284S is almost exactly what is in the car now and it is just too much for what I am wanting to do with the car.  Might work okay with a single 4bbl and an interest in constant tinkering and frequent track time, but it's too aggressive for how I'm using it.  I really like your idea of the Y-280-1-07 and the tip regarding LSA.  Seems to be in the sweet spot of what I'm trying to accomplish.  I'll be adding headers to the equation...  ;-)
Charliemccraney, thanks for the numbers on drive line ratios.  That really helped to confirm my calculations and also provided some level of confirmation about what my father told me when he ran the car in the mid to late 60's...  "I got close to 20 mpg if I kept it just over 70 at 2200 on a long highway cruise"
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You will want a narrower LSA for "the sound." Mummert's Y-280-1-07 cam has a 2200-6000 rpm range. Its 107 LSA should give you the sound  you are looking for. The narrower LSA should also provide a little more torque at lower rpm. However, there won't be a lot of vacuum at idle. 19 mpg? Maybe on level ground, light traffic, and constant speed. A wider LSA should improve mpg and will provide more vacuum, but will diminish the sound. Everybody wants the perfect cam, but I don't think anyone has found it. There are just too many variables to consider for a street-driven car. More than likely you will have to give up something. Consider your driving habits. How you intend to use the car, and how often, should be primary considerations when selecting a cam. 
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I have a repop "blower cam" that Mummert produced around the late 90s, early 2000s.  The specs are 226@.050, 274 advertised, 112 separation,.295" lift.  It has a clearly not "Stock" sound (although maybe it does sound stock if it is a copy of the correct cam but you know what I mean).
This cam does fine in .62 OD, with 3.70 rear gears and 28" tall tires, with 318ci.  In that configuration about 1800 - 1900 rpm is 70mph and while the engine clearly likes to be above 2000rpm, it did fine with that.  I imagine that the 112 separation has something to do with that.  A 4.11 rear gear probably would be better, but most overdrives are not as tall as .62 which might make a slightly taller rear gear fine, depending on the transmission.


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