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Questions on installation of Canton Small Block windage tray

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Questions on installation of Canton Small Block windage tray

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I have the FPA headers on order. Looking at July delivery and I ordered them last week. 
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Here’s the link I have to the exhaust test. The FPA’s are several pages in.

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic55379.aspx

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I think you can still search Ted's archives for his dyno testing on a 312 and see the differences the different exhaust manifolds and headers made on that engine.  I would think 15 hp would be a minimum increase on a fairly stock engine with good exhaust system.  Joe-JDC

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Joe, are those numbers for your stroker? What about on a .050 over 292?
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FPA Thunderbird headers in '55 Thunderbird.  They were 35 hp and 35 lbft torque better than the ported Thunderbird exhaust manifolds on our dyno testing.  Joe-JDC

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Thank you Joe. Thats exactly the info I needed to verify exactly what I need to do to  get this right. The older I get the more I tend to double check things. Now I just have to get in the right frame of mind to jack the car up and pull the pan. Question Joe, what headers are you running?
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First, studs do not have to be torqued down, they only need to be hand tight.  Most instructions tell you to run them down and then back them off a quarter turn.   The clamping force comes from the fine threads of the nuts, and that lessens the actual torque number needed to retain the same clamping force as a regular bolt thread.  No loctite needed.   Use the torque value supplied by Canton for the 351W studs.  We torqued the nuts on the windage tray to ~50# IIRC.  There will be some trimming needed to mount the tray, and the bolt holes will need to be widened for the spacing on the Y mains.  I have the Canton tray on two Yshttp://forums.y-blocksforever.com/uploads/images/f7962098-12d9-49cf-ad54-e743.jpg, and I will be putting one on my 312 when it goes back together.  Joe-JDC

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The spec they gave you will be for the studs, not a specific engine.  Use what they say.



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I have the previous thread on the windage tray. Engine is a street/strip engine. Should be somewhere around 400-430 horsepower around 6500 RPM so the tray should help some. Canton gave me torque specs for the studs in the 351 Windsor they were originally for. I need to compare this with the factory specs and the specs for the ARP bolts and come up with something that makes sense. I will probably make some adjustments when I get the pan off and see how it all goes together.
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The studs do not need to thread into the full depth of the block.  The studs will be engineered with adequate thread length to do the job.  The key is to have adequate engagement of threads in the block and full engagement of the nut.  Guidelines on thread depth can be found here: http://www.ford-y-block.com/assemblyerrors.htm
Contact Canton but I think a thread that size would use red loctite.  You have to apply heat, to soften the loctite for future removal
Also contact Canton about the torque spec.  Always use the manufacturers specification and instructions as it can vary from one manufacturer to another and even from one product line to another within the same manufacturer.

I used the windage studs out of a set of ARP main studs for small block Mopar, 318, 340, etc.  They are a little longer than necessary, through the main cap but just barely short enough that they do work in 292 and smaller engines.  312 will probably be fine.

Here's a link to a previous thread on the subject of windage tray installation.
http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic149206.aspx



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