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"In contract terms it falls under warranty of fitness for a particular purpose, and they can't just slap a sticker on the box "too bad so sad". Technically they would have to sell their products "As-is". The customer has an expectation that when he buys a Y block distributor, it's going to fit and is designed and constructed in a workmanlike way." CARDONE DISTRIBUTOR 32-2808 DISCLAIMER- WARNING- " It is extremely important to match the replacement distributor to the original unit. Dimensions and gear description must be checked before installation. If the original shear pin or gear is worn or broken, then the oil pump and or gear must be replaced. Using the wrong distributor, worn drive gear , or defective oil pump drive will result in extensive engine damage and VOID THE WARRANTY." In short, have a nice day.
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"The bushing is solid steel and hard like tool steel and no way for the oil to get to the ID from the oil cup. We then split the dizzy in half length wise right through the oil passage. At the bottom of the oil passage there is a small chamber area for the oil that goes around the OD of the bushing, what good does that do? Was there ever a time maybe in earlier years the that oiling through the cup actually oiled the bushing?" There should be a spiral on the shaft itself which should bring the oil to the bushing- Some styles had the cup and other styles had a wick under the rotor button you were supposed to oil when servicing.
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The wick under the rotor was to oil the cam/advance plate assembly, not the top bushing. The distributors that I have worked on had oilite bushings which could absorb oil from the cup, though few people ever put oil in the cup.
John - "The Hoosier Hurricane"
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KULTULZ (8/8/2018)
"In contract terms it falls under warranty of fitness for a particular purpose, and they can't just slap a sticker on the box "too bad so sad". Technically they would have to sell their products "As-is". The customer has an expectation that when he buys a Y block distributor, it's going to fit and is designed and constructed in a workmanlike way." CARDONE DISTRIBUTOR 32-2808 DISCLAIMER- WARNING- " It is extremely important to match the replacement distributor to the original unit. Dimensions and gear description must be checked before installation. If the original shear pin or gear is worn or broken, then the oil pump and or gear must be replaced. Using the wrong distributor, worn drive gear , or defective oil pump drive will result in extensive engine damage and VOID THE WARRANTY." In short, have a nice day. That boilerplate BS makes them even more complicit! They know damn well it's a critical thing, yet they will sell a defective product. A "Beware Of Dog" sign never helps the homeowner, if something were to happen. Same principle applies.
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Hoosier Hurricane (8/8/2018)
The wick under the rotor was to oil the cam/advance plate assembly, not the top bushing. The distributors that I have worked on had oilite bushings which could absorb oil from the cup, though few people ever put oil in the cup. Correct, the oil wick under the rotor is only for the advance. I was also expecting to see an oilite type bushing, maybe those were used in earlier models. This one is hardened steel, I touched it to a grinder and the sparks were the same as tool steel. I know this is a 100% original '60 dizzy.. I guess the oil goes up the spiral in the shaft some how but thats baffling to me..
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Tedster (8/8/2018)
That's different. Maybe it was a Monday morning distributor at the factory? I figured it was one of those oilite bushings. Oil cup seems to work on this one I'm rebuilding. Checked end play. OK. Spec is .022" to .032", the lower the better. Both of the dizzy's have the same bushing so I don't think it was a fluke. Just a wild guess but I wonder if too many bushings wore out from people not oiling them and they changed the design? I wonder if Cardone even replaces the bushing and what do they use?
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Tedster (8/8/2018)
That's different. Maybe it was a Monday morning distributor at the factory? I figured it was one of those oilite bushings. Oil cup seems to work on this one I'm rebuilding. Checked end play. OK. Spec is .022" to .032", the lower the better. Both of the dizzy's have the same bushing so I don't think it was a fluke. Just a wild guess but I wonder if too many bushings wore out from people not oiling them and they changed the design? I wonder if Cardone even replaces the bushing and what do they use? I bet that's the answer, and/or tool steel bushing just lasts longer. Installed the original issue distributor today and installed points just to see what's what. While there was no perceptible sideplay, the scope waveforms sure showed there was. I never thought about it before but there's about 1 pound of force the rubbing block places on the distributor cam off and on 300 times a minute say at idle x 8 lobes. ANY slop or clearance in the shaft/bushings out of roundness is going to show up. It idled OK with points but a little "lopey" and the scope patterns displayed that in time, re-installed the Pertronix and it was MUCH better and idled stronger and smoothed out. I'll have to look at getting it rebushed. Anybody have a FoMoCo part number or standard industry cross? The spiral oil groove is a later thing, on SBF ain't it? None on the Y Block cores I have.
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Ted, Both '60 models I have use the spiral cut shaft. The point spring pressure is adjustable if you have a scale to measure it. No parts book so I don't know what the part # is for the bushing. Good luck getting it out, it must take a special type tool, that why I cut mine in half at the bottom of the bushing so I could press it out..
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Bushings- B8QH 12102-A - C5AZ 12120-A - C5AZ 12132-A The SHOP MANUAL shows how to remove and replace with SPECIAL SERVICE TOOLS but they can be duplicated.
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57RancheroJim (8/9/2018)
Ted, Both '60 models I have use the spiral cut shaft. The point spring pressure is adjustable if you have a scale to measure it. No parts book so I don't know what the part # is for the bushing. Good luck getting it out, it must take a special type tool, that why I cut mine in half at the bottom of the bushing so I could press it out.. Yes, but the Ford spec 17 to 22 ounces point spring pressure, that's a pound of force rapping on the side of the shaft, and most all of the cores available today are going to be loosey goosey. Any appreciable wear in the bushings will affect smoothness of tune. I'm certain this is a big reason the solid state modules are so popular, the distributors in collector cars are all wallered out. The electronic modules are not affected by this as badly. The other '64 truck core I have, unfortunately on closer inspection is bent at the gear end. Can see it wobble noticeably. How does a distributor shaft get bent like that? Bad stuff I'm sure, but. Explains why I could never set the dwell consistently years ago.
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