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1963 292/4-speed in Cab over bell housing help needed.......

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1963 292/4-speed in Cab over bell housing help needed.......

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If your truck has a 4 speed most likely it is a Borg Warner T-18 or T-19 These are common and were used up into the mid-70s Also if your cabover is a C-750 or larger, the engine could be the Lincoln based 332. On first glance they look like a Y block, but do not have the stacked ports arrangement and are physically larger than a 292.



Find a junkyard with an old interchange book. It could be that the small block/T-18 combination was used on some f-350 -F-600 models.. I am not certain, but I think the 300 6 might have the same bell housing bolt pattern as the small block, and they were used in trucks as well.



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Yeah I think the simplest thing for me to do is buy a 4-speed from a 70's Ford pickup with a 351 in it. My only concern then is the shifter linkage, but it is probably still simpler to modify that then it would be to try and build an adapter plate. I will try to get some pics up here soon in any case because i would like to confirm if it is a 292 in there for sure. By the way the truck has 6 studs on the wheels, also I should mention it has 16.5ft of frame from the back of the cab although I think it has been shortened since it has very little overhang at the back and looks like it has been cut off. It was previously used as a grain truck so i would think it would have to be at least a 3 ton to have a grain box that long on it, also the tow truck driver who moved it for me seemed sure it was a 3 ton.



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I have a bellhousing and front mount that should bolt a FE ir FT in it.

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all he wants to know is there a windsor bell that will fit that trans.i dont think there is.
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Here's a link to instructions.



http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Topic34535-6-1.aspx


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Yes pics would help, I know but I have been unable to figure out how to upload pics to here. Please advise me as I'm not that skilled with computers!
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The 351W was the optional higher power pickup engine for many years, the 302 being the base engine and then the 351 being the optional one. Yes it was used in cars too but I believe it would have been an option as there again the 302 would have been the base engine. It is just the same as the 4.6 and 5.4 in the modern Ford trucks, those engines are just direct replacement for the 302 and 351. Yes I can understand the fact that the 351 was not used in heavy truck applications over 1ton but I also never said I plan to leave it in stock form. I know of a guy with one in his race car putting out over 450H.P. with a stock bottom end and nothing but bolt on parts.

Yes my truck is missing the Vin tag, I live in Canada, it is not a problem for registration, we do not have titles like in the U.S., all I need to register it is a bill of sale and that doesn't even have to be from the last registered owner (I have made and signed my own before!) I can use the number from the frame to register it, also if we ever have a vehicle with no numbers at all in Canada you just pay $100 at registries and they send a guy out to put a serial tag on your vehicle.
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C3TA-5005-JC is an engineering number for some part of the truck. It likely has nothing to do with the specific model.



4497L10AA1019D may very well be the VIN. It's on the frame in that same location for the F series trucks. It looks like a Canadian VIN, according to my '61 manual.



Most truck 351s have anywhere from 10 - 45 more ftlbs than the 292 of that time so assuming it is a 292, it will probably be alright.



The easiest way to tell if your current engine is a Y is to post a couple pictures and we can go from there. Without positively identifying anything, we can't tell you what will and will not work. If it looks like a Y, it's either a Lincoln or Ford Y and in both cases, a 351 bellhousing will not match. There will not be any adapter plates for that 4 speed pattern. If the input shaft is long enough, you can make your own. Otherwise, you'll probably have to use a different transmission.


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The 750 rated at 182 is likely a 330 FE motor, don't think the bell is the same as a 351. The "tranny" brake is a parking brake, very common on trucks that size, and yours too.

To further the ID of your truck, what type of wheel/tire combo does it have;,,,6 or 10 lug disc, or spokes w/ Dayton rims? what is the tire size?

Pictures would help about 300%   BigGrin

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Matt: I don't know if the 351 W is a good choice for your situation or not, being as the info on the truck is so vague. However, your statement that the 351 W engine is a truck engine vs the Cleveland being a car engine is definitely incorrect.

The 351 W was a standard Ford car engine for many years. The Cleveland was a higher performance engine supplied in some Ford products for about 4 years. Other altered detuned versions of it were available in trucks... The other thing that struck me is this. Based on vin # info & the fact that the plate is missing, do you have the registration? If not, are you going to be able to register the truck for regular use?..

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