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here's the cam,

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hi, i rebuilt a motor for my friends e-bird last year. the engine hadn't been torn down since 1975. we found the bearings had been changed in 64. it had daul springs and a RPM-300 isky cam. could it have been a 285hp. it had old style traction bars welded on and a switch on the shifter for the overdrive. my friend powder coated everything he could on the engine. it looks and sounds  great.

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pegleg (8/13/2010)
I believe Mummert is having a repop of the 290 made, which he calls a blower cam. Probably with more modern lobe configurations though. John is extremely knowledgeable about cams, and if he sells it, it works.

  My cam in a Engle which was ground on a new billet, but using more modern lobes and slightly more lobe seperation than the factory cam. It would check stock (290) as it must for pre stock. We cannot get these from Engle any more as they have no more Y block cores.

 I still kind of think, and maybe Ted could verify, that some of the 56 cams and the 302 were ground by Isky and numbered by Ford for Nascar, well USAC. Can't prove it though. Maybe we should ask Ed, he's still around.w00t

 

More factory high performance camshaft info:

The 1956 260 hp cam (recently discussed in the YBM - Randy Millard article) is an EDB-6250-B.  The specs are 260/260 dur and .278"/.278" lobe lift (.398" @ 1.43 ratio)  

The M-260 engine camshaft is an ECZ-6250-B.  The specs originally were 257/257 duration .300 lobe lift, then shortly changed to 256/252 duration .294 lobe lift.  (.429"/.420" @ 1.43 ratio) 

The M-260 cam b/p specified "Hard Facing Alloy On Cam Lobes".  It also specified "Engineering approval of samples from each supplier is required prior to authorization of part production".  This would lead me to believe this cam was coming from an aftermarket supplier that utilized hard facing, ie. - Isky and others.  It was the only cam I found that had these callouts.  The other blower cams did not.

I think for production all the blower cams in 1957 were manufactured (ground) by Ford at one of their engine plant.   For service it may be possible that cams were manufactured by an outside supplier.

Since the 292 were in cars through 1962 and in trucks until 1964, I don't think it would of been unreasonable for Ford to manufacture the blower service cams at their engine plant.  

Re the stories on the Ford relabeled shipping tubes from an aftermarket cam supplier for blower? cams.  If anyone has one of these shipping tubes or photos of it, it would be nice to see what exactly it says.

Regards,

Dennis

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Lobe lift for the 290 and 302 duration cams were .290 and .295 respectively. Kindly report back what you measure.

Regards,

Dennis


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I had to check it one time and it measured .288. It had somewhere around 11K miles on it at that time. Allowing for geometric error, measuring with the head on, it most likely is the bigger of the two. It's advertised to be .295. Unless the duration was measured differently back then, it's not a copy of the 302 duration cam.

No, my reply was directed to "Philo".  Sorry, still learning how to navigate this forum.  However I do have a question for you.  When you mentioned "he used to sell" in a previous post, who (cam manufacturer?) were you referring to? 

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Dennis K. (8/14/2010)
Lobe lift for the 290 and 302 duration cams were .290 and .295 respectively. Kindly report back what you measure.



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Dennis




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I had to check it one time and it measured .288. It had somewhere around 11K miles on it at that time. Allowing for geometric error, measuring with the head on, it most likely is the bigger of the two. It's advertised to be .295. Unless the duration was measured differently back then, it's not a copy of the 302 duration cam.


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Lobe lift for the 290 and 302 duration cams were .290 and .295 respectively.  Kindly report back what you measure.

Regards,

Dennis

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My cam is one of the blower cams he used to sell. The specs on the card are 226@.050, 274 advertised, 112 separation, and .295 lift. These specs clearly don't match what has been posted so far, though.


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I believe Mummert is having a repop of the 290 made, which he calls a blower cam. Probably with more modern lobe configurations though. John is extremely knowledgeable about cams, and if he sells it, it works.

  My cam in a Engle which was ground on a new billet, but using more modern lobes and slightly more lobe seperation than the factory cam. It would check stock (290) as it must for pre stock. We cannot get these from Engle any more as they have no more Y block cores.

 I still kind of think, and maybe Ted could verify, that some of the 56 cams and the 302 were ground by Isky and numbered by Ford for Nascar, well USAC. Can't prove it though. Maybe we should ask Ed, he's still around.w00t

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aussiebill (8/13/2010)
Dennis K. (8/12/2010)
Re blower and 8V cams:

One internal document I have indicates the 285hp engine was cancelled upon release of the Supercharged 300 hp engine on or about 30 Dec 1956.   

The 1957 Ford Supercharger Shop Manual lists two cams, a standard camshaft which is the 256 deg and a high lift which is the 290 deg.

The 256 deg was also used in the 312 - 245 hp 4V, 270 hp 8V, and 300 hp S/C engines. 

There were two DSO camshafts, the earlier one was 290 deg .446" EDB-6250-D (Engrg p/n) / B7A-6250-C (Service p/n).  The design was completed on 8/11/56 and released on 12/5/56.  Previous to the release the cam was assigned an XE part number.  

The later DSO cam was 302 deg .454" EDB-6250-E / B7A-6250-C.  The design was completed on 12-10-56 and was released on 6-12-57.  Previous to the release, this cam was also assigned an XE part number.

I think these camshaft release dates coincide somewhat with release of the Phase 1 and Phase 2 blowers.

For whatever reason two different camshafts were assigned the same service part number.  This coincides with the TSB previously posted and the Ford cross reference list.

The use of a DSO cam would give what I believe is referred to as the 340 hp engine.

IF the 290 deg blower cam was used in the 285 hp engine, it most likely would of carried an XE part number.

In addition, (>1962) there were camshafts B7AE-6250-A,B,C,D,E, AND F.  Note B7AE not B7A.

A - Same as EDB-6250-D, except crossdrilled

B - Same as EDB-6250-E, except crossdrilled

C - 290 deg x drilled and induction hardened lobes

D - 302 deg x drilled and induction hardened lobes

E - Same as EDB-6250-D but with induction hardened lobes

F - Same as EDB-6250-E but with induction hardened lobes

Now is everyone confused?  LOL

If anyone comes up with info on the 285 hp cam, I would certainly like to hear about it.

Regards,

Dennis

Wow dennis, thats very informative! i wonder if any members have any of these cams as described? regards bill.

That's very interesting! I believe I have one of those B7AE cams in the 322 Y-Block engine that's in my '48 Tudor. It was given to me by a friend in 1965. He said it was the "blower cam". He bought it from a Ford parts counter but never used it as he was going to FE engines. It is cross drilled. I always wondered why it wasn't grooved...now I know! The next time I adjust the valves I'll check the lobe lift to see if it's the .446" or .454".

Thanks Dennis!

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