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1957 Style Vacuum Advance

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I just bought an original 1957 FEH Distributor. The Vacuum Advance Unit uses Springs and Spacers to adjust the amount of  Advance and Rate I assume. How does this System work? "Greenbird56" Steve Metzger can probably explain it if He sees this Post. Thanks

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Mark, the Reader's Digest version: there are calibration washers in the vacuum chamber, behind the nut. The addition of a washer will decrease the amount of advance, remove a washer to increase the amount of advance. This per the '64 Ford shop manual
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The biggest problem I have run across with the 1957 FEH distributors is the vacuum advance. It seems this was a one time design and the parts that go in the inlet portion are practically non-existent. The advance body itself is still available(MAC's), but the washers, spring, inlet fitting or nut, cannot be found new. If you have a used unit, be sure to hold on to the inlet parts!
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Don't let it Buffalo you Mark!
Take THE RASCAL APART AND PLAY WITH IT. Vacuum pulls the diaphragm toward the inlet - resisted by the spring. The spring preload is basically shimmed - and the shims have a double effect: they obviously increase the pressure against the diaphragm - but they also provide the dead stop point where you won't get any more travel (coil bind). I've replaced the spring with one out of my junk box - and that worked,  so I know you can work around the ancient design. I have used my old Oldsmobile 442 as a "vacuum donor"  and simply fooled with them on the end of a length of rubber hose before - Y vacuum off of your '56?

The vacuum cans work with a matching point pivot plate (dog-leg operator bar on later ones). On my bird I have used the '76-up vacuum can - with a matching Duraspark II stator plate pivot - in a '59 distributor body. What I haven't tried is putting a '73 pivot plate on there and running the later points on the earlier cam lobes - but it may be easy to rig up.

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 Steve Metzger       Tucson, Arizona
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Thanks Steve. I am going to install Pertronix. The advance Unit looks like its pretty flexible as far as Rate of Advance and how much Advance. Just happy to have found a proper Distributor so I can get on with my Holley Upgrade on my latest Purchase.http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/uploads/images/dce4587d-532c-4a7b-8aa3-1a2b.jpgse.

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Even if you can only use the mechanical portion, for whatever reason, it will be an upgrade.  So it's a good find considering the Cardone issue.


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I was assured by Seller that is complete and Vacuum Advance Tested. That's why I bought it. We'll see when I get it.

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GREENBIRD56 (5/30/2018)
Don't let it Buffalo you Mark!
Take THE RASCAL APART AND PLAY WITH IT. Vacuum pulls the diaphragm toward the inlet - resisted by the spring. The spring preload is basically shimmed - and the shims have a double effect: they obviously increase the pressure against the diaphragm - but they also provide the dead stop point where you won't get any more travel (coil bind). I've replaced the spring with one out of my junk box - and that worked,  so I know you can work around the ancient design. I have used my old Oldsmobile 442 as a "vacuum donor"  and simply fooled with them on the end of a length of rubber hose before - Y vacuum off of your '56?

The vacuum cans work with a matching point pivot plate (dog-leg operator bar on later ones). On my bird I have used the '76-up vacuum can - with a matching Duraspark II stator plate pivot - in a '59 distributor body. What I haven't tried is putting a '73 pivot plate on there and running the later points on the earlier cam lobes - but it may be easy to rig up.

If I understand You correctly Steve, if You change the Breaker Plate to later Style You can also change the Vacuum Can to later Style also?

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Didn't the original 57 have a ball bearing breaker plate? It will be interesting to see what you get. Most have been replaced over the years..


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