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What to pay for 292 or 312?

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I currently have a 272, but I'm not sure how complete it is. It has been sitting for a long time outside, so I'm not even sure if it can be rebuilt at this point. I'm not sure what heads I have yet. I think I have a couple 4v manifolds. I'd love to spring for aluminum heads & manifold, but we'll see what the budget allows for. Maybe after I get it running with what I already have.

I don't know how often these motors come up for sale locally, but I'm guessing not that often. What's a fair value for 292s and 312s, shortblocks, longblocks, complete setups? I don't have many connections for old school parts and all that, and probably not much to barter with either, unfortunately. My experience in Augusta, GA is that folks are pretty proud of their scrap metal more often than not. 

56 Ford 312 Y block engine for sale. It's complete minus the 4bbl carb. have the starter, generator, fan etc...Crank has been turned, new bearings (crank and bearings not installed). Heads have been done by the previous owner. Motor was running when pulled from a 56 Ford. $1200.

1962 Ford 292 Engine,1 flatomatic Bell Housing flywheel & torque converter,Rebuilt C4 transmission $1,000.00 for all OBO.


I may also give this guy a call and see what he has and if he's willing to part with a motor. I'd LOVE to pick up a second truck, but it's just not an option right now!
1956 Ford Panel Truck. Great un-restored cond. engine and transmission options, contact for details.



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What I would pay is as follows
Motor is stuck, frozen, rusted, probably not more than $100.00
Motor turns easily but it cannot be demonstrated that it runs, up to about $300.
Motor can be demonstrated running and does seem to be in good condition, up to about $600
Freshly rebuilt with documentation to prove it, depends on just what has been done, but over $1000.

I'd be careful with the $1200 312.  If he has documentation for the crank work, that's a plus.  I have a feeling that he cannot prove that the heads were rebuilt.  Since the engine is obviously apart, you might be able to confirm that when you see them.  Ran when pulled means nothing since it has been taken apart but you should be able to assess the condition of the parts better.  In my opinion, "ran when pulled" means nothing, period.  Make sure it is complete.  This one is worth a look.  Just be cautious.  Take a mic set or caliper along to check things the best you can.

The 292 is worth it for all that you get, particularly if the rebuilt c4 claim can be proven but nothing is said of the 292, which seems most important to you.



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While I am going to stay out of the pricing discussion,
I will say ALWAYS go and look at the item for sale. I have walked away from blocks that have been sleeved, cranks that are incorrect and incorrectly identified heads and block assemblys. All this stuff is 50 plus years old and may (probably) have gone thru transformations from its original manufactured state.
Educate yourself on what to look for in the component parts measurements and ask the right questions of the parts sellers.
Best to stay local and wait for the items to materalise so that way you can look at the parts,unless your up for some road trips.
Good luck in your search.

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One further caution. I bought a worn 312 that was running just fine in a 56 Merc, just leaking and smoking. The crank didn't pass mag check, it was cracked. But it was still running. With a rebuild and higher RPM, I'm sure it would have failed immediately.

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Thanks for the tips. Trying to learn as much as I can and make practical choices as much as possible. I need a local guru!

Is it worth the wait for a nice 312?



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Is it worth the wait for a nice 312?

My personal preference would be to start with a 292 block.  Besides the issue with cracks around the main saddles with the 312’s, a large number of them have cam tunnel issues that can be difficult to deal with.  If you come across a decent 312 crankshaft, then that crank can have the mains turned down to fit the 292 block and if taken another level, the rod journals offset ground for a 3.600” stroke.  Likewise the 292 crankshaft can be offset ground for either the stock 312 3.44” stroke or simply taken a bit further out to 3.48” stroke.


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I did a little digging in my parts boxes and found some decent kit.

5750-471 heads
ECZ-9245B intakes (2)
Ram horn manifolds for Ford.
2 sets of rockers.
I have a distributor but it doesn't look like others I pulled up in a quick search.



Also I measured the bore and its 3.75" on a ECG block.

Hopefully it's all usable!

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F100 Spence (12/28/2014)

I have a distributor but it doesn't look like others I pulled up in a quick search.


The pictured distributor is a truck distributor and is also the L-O-M (Load O Matic) design.  There's not much call for those distributors due to them being a vacuum advance only model.  Being a LOM distributor, it's carburetor specific meaning most carburetors made since 1957 will not work with it.


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Thanks Ted, that saves a some effort and frustration. I don't have a carb yet so I'll put it on the list and set the distributor aside or put it up on ebay.

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Looking at the interior rust in the distributor, for posting on e bay, I'd say it's essentially worthless..


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