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High price of racing a ford

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JM you made the point that I was trying to make, all the scrub parts are less expensive ( cheaper). But if you look at the parts, I would say the 90 % of the parts that I used were made in China. They don't even try to hide it anymore, the intake manifold had China cast into it in half in letters.

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John Mummert (3/7/2014)
I'm not certain the price of racing a common Ford is high, its just that the cost of building a sbc is artificially low. The profit margins on most sbc parts is so low that some of the companies wear out their equipment only to discover they can't afford to replace it when the equipment is used up. This happened to Johnson lifter. I used to wonder why so many companies that made replacement parts are no longer in business, McQuay Norris, Badger pistons, Nylen, Ertl, Dyna Gear, Perfect Circle, Johnson Bronze, American Hammered, Zolner, Fitzgerald. When you look at the business model manufacturers use, going out of business seems likely. Sell only fast moving items at little profit. They would rather sell 10 sets of 350 sbc main bearings than 1 set of 312 main bearings for the same money. That's what they're taught in business school.


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I'm not certain the price of racing a common Ford is high, its just that the cost of building a sbc is artificially low. The profit margins on most sbc parts is so low that some of the companies wear out their equipment only to discover they can't afford to replace it when the equipment is used up. This happened to Johnson lifter. I used to wonder why so many companies that made replacement parts are no longer in business, McQuay Norris, Badger pistons, Nylen, Ertl, Dyna Gear, Perfect Circle, Johnson Bronze, American Hammered, Zolner, Fitzgerald. When you look at the business model manufacturers use, going out of business seems likely. Sell only fast moving items at little profit. They would rather sell 10 sets of 350 sbc main bearings than 1 set of 312 main bearings for the same money. That's what they're taught in business school.

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ian57tbird (3/5/2014)
The sad truth is they are cheaper to build than any Ford.

OK I have to ask, where does the term "SCRUB" come from?


The Meaning of SCRUB

SCRUB means "Loser who thinks he's something"
So now you know - SCRUB means "Loser who thinks he's something" - don't thank us.YW!
I think it fits! Taken from the internet. Its urban slang.

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It isn't an apples to apples situation obviously. SBC engines have had more development time & money spent on them than any other engine ever!. And the Hot Rodding publishers have been falling all over themselves for years promoting it, while collecting the related advertising money. Obviously, you can't compare the cost of bulding one to the cost of bulding a vintage engine like our Y-Block, which come to think of it, was discontinued 50 years ago this year..

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I think they even work out a bit cheaper to build than SBF.
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ian57tbird (3/5/2014)
The sad truth is they are cheaper to build than any Ford.

OK I have to ask, where does the term "SCRUB" come from?


Jerry Christianson coined the term Scrub for Chevy.
He has many words for them and all things GM.
You'll probly never see him on this board. Because he doesn't use a "confuser"
You can read his articles in Y-block Magazine.

We usually use that term for 'em. I cringed when I typed that other namebrand!









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John, yes I included my labor and the machine shop labor. The difference is in the cost of parts and the availability of parts. Just a few examples,

my intake $400- scrub $160

my crank, rods, pistons, rings, bearings $2000 - scub $839

my G head w/valves springs porting and machine labor $900,- scrub $475

my rockers $400 - scrub $180

ect, ect

I know this is comparing apples to oranges, if you built a flathead, or a FE or a nailhead or a hemi, the price would compare to or exceed a Y block. The point that I was trying to make is that it is hard to explain to the kid that I build the scrub for why we spend so much money on the old engines. I also realize that I could have built a SBF for about the same price as the SBC. The other point that I was trying to make was that as long as they want to pay me to work on them, it helps me have the funds to build my own projects, all Y block powered by the way.

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The sad truth is they are cheaper to build than any Ford.

OK I have to ask, where does the term "SCRUB" come from?
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Glen Henderson (3/4/2014)
The things you have to do to afford to race a Y Block,

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Some times you have to work on a scrub, this is a 5.7 (383 ci) that I just finished. It is the late vortec block with iron vortec heads, scat stroker crank, eagle rods, KB pistons, Comp Hyd roller cam, stainless valves, Comp valve train, 750 Holley vac sec. carb. Should make 450/475 hp on pump gas. The really sad thing is that this engine cost about half what my 337 y block cost.


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