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By Glen Henderson - 10 Years Ago
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The things you have to do to afford to race a Y Block,
Some times you have to work on a scrub, this is a 5.7 (383 ci) that I just finished. It is the late vortec block with iron vortec heads, scat stroker crank, eagle rods, KB pistons, Comp Hyd roller cam, stainless valves, Comp valve train, 750 Holley vac sec. carb. Should make 450/475 hp on pump gas. The really sad thing is that this engine cost about half what my 337 y block cost.
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By Canadian Hot Rodder - 10 Years Ago
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Glen,
That may be true, but that is simply because the the aftermarket has supported this hunk of junk!!! LOL I have a LOT more respect for someone who can make that kind of performance using their OWN brain and not what the aftermarket engineers have already figured out for them!
My hat goes off to people like yourself, Ted Eaton, John Mummert, etc. who have made amazing horse power out of Y-Blocks without all this aftermarket support! Now YOU guys are the TRUE engine masters!!!!
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By Glen Henderson - 10 Years Ago
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I can't take credit for my Y block other than gathering the parts, Ted built the engine, Lonnie did the machine work. You are right though, the only used parts in the scrub is the block and bare heads. Everything else is new either from Summit or the local parts store/machine shop.
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By Glen Henderson - 10 Years Ago
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Just so someone gets the wrong idea and thinks I have gone over to the dark side
This is my current project, this one will stay in the family.
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 10 Years Ago
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Glen:
Are you comparing apples to apples? You say you built the scrub, but Ted built your Y. Did you include your labor in the price of the scrub? I assume you had to pay labor cost to Ted to build your Y. If your figure for the scrub didn't include labor, then you should add Ted's labor price to the scrub bill. Now does it still cost twice as much to build a Y? By the way, even though it's not a Y, you did a very nice job on that engine. The customer should be delighted.
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By lyonroad - 10 Years Ago
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Hoosier Hurricane (3/4/2014)
Glen:
By the way, even though it's not a Y, you did a very nice job on that engine. The customer should be delighted.
Echoing what Hoosier just said, but did you have to make it look so good?
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By aussiebill - 10 Years Ago
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Glen Henderson (3/4/2014)
The things you have to do to afford to race a Y Block, Some times you have to work on a scrub, this is a 5.7 (383 ci) that I just finished. It is the late vortec block with iron vortec heads, scat stroker crank, eagle rods, KB pistons, Comp Hyd roller cam, stainless valves, Comp valve train, 750 Holley vac sec. carb. Should make 450/475 hp on pump gas. The really sad thing is that this engine cost about half what my 337 y block cost.
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By ian57tbird - 10 Years Ago
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The sad truth is they are cheaper to build than any Ford.
OK I have to ask, where does the term "SCRUB" come from?
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By Glen Henderson - 10 Years Ago
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John, yes I included my labor and the machine shop labor. The difference is in the cost of parts and the availability of parts. Just a few examples,
my intake $400- scrub $160
my crank, rods, pistons, rings, bearings $2000 - scub $839
my G head w/valves springs porting and machine labor $900,- scrub $475
my rockers $400 - scrub $180
ect, ect
I know this is comparing apples to oranges, if you built a flathead, or a FE or a nailhead or a hemi, the price would compare to or exceed a Y block. The point that I was trying to make is that it is hard to explain to the kid that I build the scrub for why we spend so much money on the old engines. I also realize that I could have built a SBF for about the same price as the SBC. The other point that I was trying to make was that as long as they want to pay me to work on them, it helps me have the funds to build my own projects, all Y block powered by the way.
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By bird55 - 10 Years Ago
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ian57tbird (3/5/2014)
The sad truth is they are cheaper to build than any Ford.
OK I have to ask, where does the term "SCRUB" come from?
Jerry Christianson coined the term Scrub for Chevy.
He has many words for them and all things GM.
You'll probly never see him on this board. Because he doesn't use a "confuser"
You can read his articles in Y-block Magazine.
We usually use that term for 'em. I cringed when I typed that other namebrand!
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By ian57tbird - 10 Years Ago
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I think they even work out a bit cheaper to build than SBF.
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By PF Arcand - 10 Years Ago
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It isn't an apples to apples situation obviously. SBC engines have had more development time & money spent on them than any other engine ever!. And the Hot Rodding publishers have been falling all over themselves for years promoting it, while collecting the related advertising money. Obviously, you can't compare the cost of bulding one to the cost of bulding a vintage engine like our Y-Block, which come to think of it, was discontinued 50 years ago this year..
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By lyonroad - 10 Years Ago
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ian57tbird (3/5/2014)
The sad truth is they are cheaper to build than any Ford.
OK I have to ask, where does the term "SCRUB" come from?
The Meaning of SCRUB | SCRUB means "Loser who thinks he's something"
| | So now you know - SCRUB means "Loser who thinks he's something" - don't thank us.YW! |
I think it fits! Taken from the internet. Its urban slang.
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By John Mummert - 10 Years Ago
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I'm not certain the price of racing a common Ford is high, its just that the cost of building a sbc is artificially low. The profit margins on most sbc parts is so low that some of the companies wear out their equipment only to discover they can't afford to replace it when the equipment is used up. This happened to Johnson lifter. I used to wonder why so many companies that made replacement parts are no longer in business, McQuay Norris, Badger pistons, Nylen, Ertl, Dyna Gear, Perfect Circle, Johnson Bronze, American Hammered, Zolner, Fitzgerald. When you look at the business model manufacturers use, going out of business seems likely. Sell only fast moving items at little profit. They would rather sell 10 sets of 350 sbc main bearings than 1 set of 312 main bearings for the same money. That's what they're taught in business school.
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By aussiebill - 10 Years Ago
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John Mummert (3/7/2014)
I'm not certain the price of racing a common Ford is high, its just that the cost of building a sbc is artificially low. The profit margins on most sbc parts is so low that some of the companies wear out their equipment only to discover they can't afford to replace it when the equipment is used up. This happened to Johnson lifter. I used to wonder why so many companies that made replacement parts are no longer in business, McQuay Norris, Badger pistons, Nylen, Ertl, Dyna Gear, Perfect Circle, Johnson Bronze, American Hammered, Zolner, Fitzgerald. When you look at the business model manufacturers use, going out of business seems likely. Sell only fast moving items at little profit. They would rather sell 10 sets of 350 sbc main bearings than 1 set of 312 main bearings for the same money. That's what they're taught in business school.
John, basically peanuts for monkeys.
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By Glen Henderson - 10 Years Ago
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JM you made the point that I was trying to make, all the scrub parts are less expensive ( cheaper). But if you look at the parts, I would say the 90 % of the parts that I used were made in China. They don't even try to hide it anymore, the intake manifold had China cast into it in half in letters.
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