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Pertronix 111 in '57 dizzy

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I am about to put a Pertronix 3 in my Fomoco FEH 12127 and see that it won't fit due to the straight vac advance arm. I have a C8UP 12127 Autolite 302 windsor dizzy, does anyone know if the vac advance will interchange?


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The advantage of being able to re-fit the points in a hot Y-block's distributor is usually lost on someone about midnight while their wife holds the flashlight. Smile Electronic parts have an extremely unpredictable lifetime - particularly when exposed to a lot of heat cycles under the hood. I'm not too thrilled with the idea myself, can't speak for others........but the re-fit option is only there for desperation use if you ask me.

The "points replacer" versions of these devices are just that - they use the same sort of coil and the same sort of dwell as you can get with the points. That results in the same sort of spark energy - and that equals original performance. Many of them don't have enough switching capacity to equal an old fashioned "dual point" (extended dwell) distributor with a "hot coil" - it would burn up the grounding transistor.

Charlie may jump in here - but I went to the Ford Duraspark II type unit for simple reasons - it has a very basic trigger unit in the distributor that has a pretty damn good reliability record (the one in my T-bird did 150,000 miles in an F-150 to break it in). The switching unit that charges and fires the coil is located separately - doesn't have a perfect reliability record - but it can be changed without burning your fingers in a matter of minutes. And better yet, the controller units can be Ford, GM, Chrysler, MSD - whatever level of performance you desire. I like that - and if you use something common from the parts stores - you can replace your spare by shopping at the auto parts store around the corner. I use a GM type HEI controller because the chip has a more up-to-date variable dwell operating scheme - but a Ford style unit could plug in and take me home just as well.

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Electronics have made huge strides, all vehicles now (as far as i know) have electronic ignition, and are computer controlled.

And now, the answer to my question !!

I have been talking to John, Customer Service at PerTronix, and he has imparted the following information.
Below is part of the correspondence i have had from him..

If you were to put your distributor number into our online Ignitor kit look-up it will not show an Ignitor III listing. We have done some further investigation concerning this distributor. Some of the findings I'm sure some of the folks on the Y-block forums you participate in already know but here goes. The FEH-12127-A and A2 (typically the "2" represents an engineering change), along with the FEK-12127 are all identical, save for some minor external casting changes. The A2 is the most common. There is also an FEJ-12127 which is 1957 Thunderbird Only as it is a Tach Drive distributor. This distributor was not a 1 year only, it was used from 1957 through 1959. Late in ’59 they switched to a hinged advance plate (single pivot pin) and the part numbers became B9AF 12127 (Car) or B9TF-12127 (truck) and that style continued through 1964 (although the part number changed each year for advance curves), the Last year of the Y-Block. All of the 57-64 Y-Block distributors use the same points, condenser , rotor and cap, which are the same as pretty much ALL Fords from 57-75 289-302, 351W, 351C, 429-460, FE etc.

Sorry for the confusion…

Customer Service




Interesting that the advance curves changed each year.


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Slick, yes I think we can all agree the the points are the same in all '57 up distributors and the Pert I and II will work in them. The problem, for me anyway, is the Pert III will not work in the early "57 up distributor (the one with the straight advance arm, bearing advance plate) because the Pert III replaces the whole advance plate, thus only fitting in the latter '57 up distributors with bent advance arm.

Pert I and II will work in the distributor, Pert III will not.http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Uploads/Images/f8b4876d-779f-4c9c-b724-cea4.JPG

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