I told you guys last week about the B 600 with a y block that I found about 20 miles from me and that I worked a deal with the yard manager. We went after it this morning. after I got it out it was a ECK (55-56) block, O K someone put a car engine in it. We got it home and after I pulled the intake, C1TE heads now what? Pulled the valve covers, and a new set of rockers, I mean no wear at all and clean. Decided to go ahead and pull a head,  no wear at all can't even hang a finger nail on the ridge. I had gone to far by now so I fliped it up on the flywheel and pulled the pan. I almost  "stroked out", steel crankshaft, .010/ .010 that is as slick as a spanked baby's butt. No stopping now, knocked out a piston, wow C1TE  rods. Cleaned the top of the piston and I still don't beleive it, but the dang thing is std bore. The only thing that I can come up with is that it must have eight sleeves or that the rebuilder got hold of some NOS bare blocks. I'll finish tearing it down tomorrow afternoon and find out. CAN'T WAIT

Glen Henderson



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Letohatchee, AL

wow sounds like youve found a real treasure awesome what are you gonna put it in?

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Glen.  Sounds like a good find.  Just shows that getting out there and looking will still find a few good parts to be had.  Be forewarned that the steel cranks do not take kindly to offset grinding to the much smaller rod journal sizes if you plan on going that route.  I can give more details when the time comes if that’s your plan.

Lorena, Texas (South of Waco)

Bummer Ted, that is exactly what I was planing, but no problem I have a std/std cast crank as well. I'll just have to find something else too use the steel crank in. Planing on using the C1TE rods in a 312 for my Fairlane if I ever get time too finish it. If this block checks out I may just build it back for someone else to enjoy.

Glen Henderson



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Letohatchee, AL

hi glen, they used a lot of 256 and 272's in 600 series buses, they may have bored it to std 292 when they rebuilt it, just a thought.

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Taking down one of these old motors is always fun, sometimes exciting or depressing.  A "runner" last winter had two broken rods, and was a mess.  But still "kind of" fun.

Mike, located in the Siskiyou mountains, Southern, OR 292 powered 1946 Ford 1/2 ton, '62 Mercury Meteor, '55 Country Squire (parting out), '64 Falcon, '54 Ford 600 tractor.

I like taking them apart just to see what someone else has done to them. This maybe a bored out 272, but according to Mummert's chart it is a 55-56 292. I know that others have found things that did not jive with his charts, but it is still the best resource that we have. I have completed stripping it down, just need too remove the galley plugs, and plan to haul it to the machine shop next week for vatting. I am still amazed at the condition of the crank and bearings, this engine had very few miles on it. If it checks out OK it will make someone a good start to a stock rebuild. I'll be hanging on to the crank and rods though.

Glen Henderson



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Letohatchee, AL

Hey Ted,

tell me what you know about problems with offset grinding the steel 292, is it all steel 292s or just ones that have had the radius ground out of them?

Tim

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tim@yblockguy.com  Visalia, California    Just west of the Sequoias

Tim.  For the 292’s I’ve essentially come across three styles of oil paths or drilled oil holes in the crankshafts which is what must be considered if increasing the stroke by lieu of offset grinding.  The steel cranks are one of these styles, the early crankshafts with the alternate oil holes at the rod journals is another, and the common fare 1956-1964 cast cranks is the remaining.  The later while also being the most common is the easiest to work with in regards to offset grinding to a smaller journal size while taking the journal widths out to 1.800”.  This wider journal alleviates having to remove as much material from the replacement connecting rods in order to make them work without having to narrow the rod bearings themselves.

 

The ‘alternate oiling’ crankshafts make nice 2.100” journals while going wider but the oil holes are exposed in the radius when attempting to go to the 2.00” size.  The common fare cast cranks make nice offset ground 2.00” journals while making the journals to the 1.800-1.810” widths.  The problem with the steel cranks when offset grinding to the smaller journal size (1.889” and 2.000”) lies in trying to make the journal wider than stock.  That’s where the oil hole in the crank becomes exposed at the radius and this tends to vary from crank to crank due to manufacturing variability.  Some make it and some don’t and that’s with the proper radius being maintained in the fillets of the journal.  An undressed grinding rock that removes the radius from the edge of the journal simply compounds the issue.

 

Probably more info than was asked for but felt a lengthy explanation was needed to know that there were some differences in the oil holes themselves which drives which crank can be offset ground the most.

Lorena, Texas (South of Waco)

Thanks for the info Ted, I was woried more that you had seen a breaking problem I had not concidered the oil hole. I'm planing on taking a 292 to 3.6" with a journal dia. of 1.888, but I won't be making the journal wider. As you may know we "De-stoked" Charlies crank to get less cubic "s , then I just faced the rods for the proper width of the journal. No bearing problem was to be seen.

Tim

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350ci Y-Block FED "Elwood", 301ci Y-Block Unibody LSR "Jake", 312ci Y-Block '58 F-100, 338ci Y-Block powered Model A Tudor

tim@yblockguy.com  Visalia, California    Just west of the Sequoias