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I'm looking for a set of push rods for a new engine.  I see there are two manufacturers, Melling and Elgin.  Any brand better that the other?
The vendor that I am looking at is on ebay, Classic Engine Supply in Iowa.  Any one know anything about this vendor?

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Based on a recent "Random Thoughts" blurb by John Mummert in Y-Block Magazine, (issue #137, 2016) what may be happening here is a compatibilty problem, not necessarily bad Elgin or other stock spec pushrods. Original or stock replacement pushrods & some aftemarket adjusting screws both appear to have 3/8" adjusters. This is not actually the case.  The ball & cup needs about .010 - .015" oiling clearance. Stock Ford adjuster balls are about .360" & the cup is about .375".  Some aftermarket pushrods have a .390"  cup & the adjuster ball end is .375".. If the aftermarket ball adjusters are used with original spec pushrods, there is no clearance for proper oiling, soon resulting in failure!  Plus he says there are poor quality aftermarket adjuster screws out there also..   ..( Hopefully I've explained the problem correctly)  Also note that he explains some other important miscues that can happen related to our favorite engine & related parts. This issue is worth ordering from the editor Bruce Young, just for this article alone..     


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Based on a recent "Random Thoughts" blurb by John Mummert in Y-Block Magazine, (issue #137, 2016) what may be happening here is a compatibilty problem, not necessarily bad Elgin or other stock spec pushrods. Original or stock replacement pushrods & some aftemarket adjusting screws both appear to have 3/8" adjusters. This is not actually the case.  The ball & cup needs about .010 - .015" oiling clearance. Stock Ford adjuster balls are about .360" & the cup is about .375".  Some aftermarket pushrods have a .390"  cup & the adjuster ball end is .375".. If the aftermarket ball adjusters are used with original spec pushrods, there is no clearance for proper oiling, soon resulting in failure!  Plus he says there are poor quality aftermarket adjuster screws out there also..   ..( Hopefully I've explained the problem correctly)  Also note that he explains some other important miscues that can happen related to our favorite engine & related parts. This issue is worth ordering from the editor Bruce Young, just for this article alone..     

I am aware of that possible problem. I use OEM adjusters that are .360 and with the OEM pushrods they worked fine on the previous engine. I reused the same rockers and pushrods on my new engine and it ran fine for the first few hundred miles. I only bought the new pushrods because I now have 2 Yblock motors and only had one set of pushrods and I liked the idea of tubular vs solid. Good news is I reinstalled the OEM pushrods and between a long drive on Sat, a few short ones on Mon and Tues it's run perfectly for 400 miles. Other good news is I found another set of OEM and another set of unidentified in an unmarked box that I totally forgot I had. I'm at that age I shouldn't rely on memory :-)


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Forum Post Tubular Push Rods By paul2748 ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Both Elgin and Melling are Stock replacement quality parts, I have... By Small block ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post If you want Y-Block lifters (?) I believe J Mummert has them & I think... By PF Arcand ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post I already got cam and lifters from John. Unfortunately, John could... By paul2748 ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Smith in Oregon makes them right away if you can sent a sample, If... By DryLakesRacer ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post I think all the replacements by Elgin and Melling are the long... By 57RancheroJim ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post They have both, as shown on ebay. Different part numbers... By paul2748 ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Another source for Y Block parts is Schumann's Sales and Service in... By Rono ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Smith Brothers at pushrods.net, also Manton Pushrods at... By Dave C ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Thanks Rono - I forgot about Schumann's. I called him today and... By paul2748 ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post re lifters, i bought 4 lifters from eBay new for a 8n ford tractor... By 2721955meteor ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post I went ahead and bought the Elgins, Didn't make 50 miles and one of... By 57RancheroJim ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post You have to check everything. Even the best manufacturers have issues... By charliemccraney ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Were these Elgin PR-71S or PR-73S that broke? Not that it probably... By Tedster ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Ted, these were the PR-73S and have a date on the box of 08-01-17. I... By 57RancheroJim ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Yep, the original locater springs on the rocker shaft would "probably"... By Tedster ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post I decided to go out and measure the cups. It looks like the cup is... By 57RancheroJim ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post How are you measuring the cup? ID micrometer? Elgin doesn't supply... By Tedster ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Just with inside caliber. Now I'm worried about the lifter end. The... By 57RancheroJim ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post It's confusing to me (not difficult ha ha) because there are so many... By Tedster ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post A caliper will not provide an accurate inside measurement for... By charliemccraney ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Sorry to hear about your grief with the push rods! I have used the... By Small block ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post ... By Tedster ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post There was a lot of talk about this problem some time back. As I... By MoonShadow ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Looked at the old OE rods a little more carefully, not scientific tho... By Tedster ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]MoonShadow (11/13/2017)[/b][hr] There was a lot of talk... By 57RancheroJim ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post WOW! your engine builder doesn't seem to know much about Yblocks By 57RancheroJim ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Based on a recent "Random Thoughts" blurb by John Mummert in Y-Block... By PF Arcand ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]PF Arcand (11/14/2017)[/b][hr] Based on a recent "Random... By 57RancheroJim ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Not much of an engine builder full stop! Anyone that doesn't check to... By ian57tbird ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]ian57tbird (11/14/2017)[/b][hr] Not much of an engine... By Tedster ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post I didn't realize pushrods were so expensive now. I got a set of... By charliemccraney ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post I get sticker shock with almost anything I buy these days. An... By 57RancheroJim ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post I finally got the camera to work LOL. Top is the one that broke Middle... By 57RancheroJim ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post This afternoon I colored the cup with a Sharpie and spun an adjuster... By 57RancheroJim ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post What's interesting to me is that it appears that the PR-71S have the... By Tedster ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Thanks for posting this. I just bought a set from Shuman's so I... By paul2748 ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Good luck Ted, I hope yours are ok and work for you. By 57RancheroJim ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Yep, we're gonna find out. Is it standard for aftermarket suppliers to... By Tedster ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Elgin won't deal with the warranty directly with me, they want you to... By 57RancheroJim ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Hm, well that makes a certain amount of sense. I guess. Bought them... By Tedster ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post I don't think it is common for there to be no warranty. However, the... By charliemccraney ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Smith Brothers: https://www.pushrods.net/ Looks like they are... By charliemccraney ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Thanks Charlie By paul2748 ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Sorry to hear you had a similar problem. Maybe Shuman gets them from... By 57RancheroJim ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post I called Smith Bros today. They have no clue what the "normal" push... By paul2748 ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Send them one or specify the effective length. By charliemccraney ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post Noticed from the pics the #73 pushrods have the large ball on the... By Tedster ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]Tedster (11/17/2017)[/b][hr] Noticed from the pics the... By 57RancheroJim ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post No, the PR-71S pushrods don't have a ball end, it's basically the same... By Tedster ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post ... By Tedster ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post It is confusing. Your lifter ends don't look like any of mine but at... By 57RancheroJim ( 8 Years Ago )
Forum Post The first pic is a screen shot closeup and is distorted for some... By Tedster ( 8 Years Ago )
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