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I am starting to look at which type of distributor I want to install in my 56 Ford Sunliner 292 engine.  I found a C0AF 12127 distributor for sale and have a question.  Which way is believed to be the better route;  take a C0AF and rebuild it with a Pertronix or get a re manufactured Cardone and work with it?

This is the first time to rebuild a 292 and want to do some of the recommended upgrades to help it perform better.

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For tuning purposes and future tune up ease, the Cardone might be better because they are often Motorcraft distributors, which share a lot internally with the other Ford V8s until Duraspark came around.  That makes them pretty easy to tune and should guarantee availability of maintenance items.

Aside from that, as long as the COAF is a car or light truck model then there should be no real difference in the job they do for the engine..


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So looking at different auto sites I don't see where you can even purchase rebuild parts for the 57-63 distributor.  Only points, condenser, etc.

So purchasing a Cardone is probably about the only choice unless one could find a complete in good shape original.

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RonLey (9/2/2017)
So looking at different auto sites I don't see where you can even purchase rebuild parts for the 57-63 distributor.  Only points, condenser, etc.

So purchasing a Cardone is probably about the only choice unless one could find a complete in good shape original.

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If You look long enough You could find Parts BUT how are You going to rebush the housing so the Shaft fits properly? The Cardone Units are a very good Deal as everything is new. Breaker Plate, Advance Unit, Wire, Points & Condensor and the Drive Gear. Housing is re-bushed. Shop around for a Cardone 30-2808. Don't turn in your old One just to save a small Core Charge. Check Ebay as there are usually several available. I have done 2 of these. I did have to buy a Shim Kit to bring the Shaft Vertical play to within Specs but wasn't a big Deal. Vacuum Advance Can is adjustable to limit the amount of Advance. You can buy a mechanical Advance lighter Spring Kit from Mr Gasket to setup a quicker the rate of advance also. You can ad Pertronix or another Electronic Kit to One of these and have accurate Timing because the Shaft is rebushed to Specs. I don't know if You are using the original Teapot but this upgrade will make a difference in the way it runs even with the original Carb. Upgrade the Carb to a newer Holley or other and You will be very surprised at how well it runs compared to stock Setup

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This is the Cardone distributor they are talking about:
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So far as I know - the only complaints I've heard have revolved around excessive endplay. The excess travel will show up as a deviation in ignition timing as the gear moves up and down on it's helix. You may have to knock the pin out of the drive pinion and add a shim to set the endplay where you want it - and shims for the purpose are available at NAPA and others. Some of these distributors have come with adjustable vacuum pots - and some not. The adjustment is an "Allen" (socket head) set screw accessed down inside the vacuum port. Try a 3/32 hex for starters - some have been 1/8. Go easy on it - easily stripped. The effect of the screw is "counter intuitive" - turning it clockwise has the opposite effect you expect - it increases vacuum advance rather than restricting it. The Cardone unit will not come with a cap and it takes the later model cap - and the earlier '56 cap won't fit.
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This is a map of the Ford advance scheme used for engines in the late sixties to mid-seventies - shown in distributor degrees. It isn't designed for maximum performance - more for warm-up, safe for warranty purposes and best gas mileage. Using a kit of springs from Mr. Gasket, you can boost the "bottom end' torque of your engine by increasing the rate of centrifugal advance - putting more in at lower engine speeds. This diagram below shows a modified advance curve that works with stock cams....adds centrifugal and reduces the top vacuum advance setting.
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As you can see - it substitutes mechanical advance for vacuum at lower rpm ranges - allowing for engine acceleration (low vacuum) without losing the spark advance. Many try to simply increase the static timing (going from say 6º to 12º and more) without paying attention to the total - and the vacuum pot can easily add too much when she is up to cruise speed with low throttle (engine will go way too lean).



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Following the theme of this thread, can anyone explain or show a picture of a way to limit the vacuum advance on these distributors without an adjustable advance pot?
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Gene Purser (9/4/2017)
Following the theme of this thread, can anyone explain or show a picture of a way to limit the vacuum advance on these distributors without an adjustable advance pot?

If it has that style Pot with no Adjustment You would have to replace the Pot for an adjustable One. Some of the older style 57 up Distributors have spacers and springs inside with a "Nut" on the end which unscrews and you change Advance by changing Spacers which allows more or less Advance Lot harder to work with. 

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There are a couple of vendors that rebuild the Ford distributors.  One is   http://www.philbingroup.com


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paul2748 (9/5/2017)
There are a couple of vendors that rebuild the Ford distributors.  One is   http://www.philbingroup.com

Pretty reasonable Price. Wonder how the Quality is? Interesting their part # is 15-2808. Cardone's is 30-2808.

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