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Get a reconditioned dizzy for staters  [or if you can do it yourself] before even thinking of putting the electronic unit in . As what Charlie said.  Try a Pertronix 3 and matching coil, if you shop around its not that expensive and you get multi spark throughout the rev range and a rev limiter. Make sure your getting the full 12 volts to it when installed.

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If you fool around with old cars with carbs you will find that " most carburetor problems are electrical" Pete
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Thank you for that. That was really in depth.  Im on a learning curve here with it all. All my tuning experience comes from modern race cars, all with ECU's. When i got my truck i literally knew nothing about carbs and distributors. 

I have order'd a new electronic distributor as posted above. I've also bought a new carb, My y-block came with a 600cfm Holley and its using silly amounts of fuel and i feel its too big for the engine and spec. So i've purchased a 500cfm Edelbrock.

Will be a case now of fitting and tuning it all to work. Hoping it runs alot better and uses a little less fuel. At the moment it doesnt seem to want to rev past 3500'sh rpm..

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Just stumbled in ..........other projects have seriously impeded my Y-block experiences....
Jay -
Remove your distributor - first mark the rotor direction and housing direction - take a few pictures of the alignment as you go. Disassemble and carefully clean it up so it all works freely - advance mechanisms and all. The ground wire mentioned earlier is easy to overlook - don't. High temp silicone caliper grease works well down inside the advance mechanism - just don't overdo it.
Get a new set of points and condenser and install them to spec - easy to set the points cold on a bench. As someone mentioned - there is a huge year spread where the parts will fit.
Put the distributor back in the engine - in time, with the correct firing order. Verify the firing order again, the distributor rotates counter clockwise.
Make sure the coil connections are correct and the coil itself appears in good shape.
Start the engine and set the initial idle timing. Specs usually say otherwise - but these engines - stock - "like" about 10º.
This is basic stuff - but the electricals should now be in good enough shape to tune the carb. When the engine will start quickly and runs nicely - then its time to consider modifying the spark system.................

I am way in favor of using the Ford Duraspark II distributor as a basis for building an electronic system. In my mind, reliability is key - and parts must be readily available. 
(1) They utilize simple and rugged factory Ford spark advance systems. Can be tuned to suit your own use with a little knowhow.
(2) The trigger system is absolutely bulletproof - even makes its own electrical power for the output signal.
(3) When you have a reliable trigger / advance mechanism - they can be used with any number of factory or commercial controllers. Because Ford used a modular system, the chosen control box can be located in a cooler, convenient service location - not inside a distributor on the backside of a hot engine. 
Rebuilders have used two different distributor bodies for constructing replacement Y-block distributors. The Autolite - and the Motorcraft. The base stems of the housings differ for a quick identification - the Autolites have some round concentric rings and grooves just above the block fit - and the Motorcraft version has a three lobed "cam" sort of shape. If you find a Motorcraft based rebuild - with a Y-block lower shaft and drive gear - the conversion is a breeze. The parts for a Duraspark II distributor (say for a 1975 302 Maverick) will transfer and install directly into the housing. If the housing is an Autolite - the upper rotor shaft must be modified by removing the point cam - and machining it to fit a "reluctor" - the 8 bladed timing armature of the Duraspark II. Once you have the modified part in hand - the rest of the conversion is pretty straight forward. 
 
Once you have an electronic trigger equipped distributor - all sorts of things are possible. The mechanical spark advance curved may be changed - the behavior of the vacuum advance can be altered - and so on. The coil controllers may be changed - the regular old Ford box can be used - or a GM or Chrysler if you want - many options are available. My own choice has been to use reliable parts from the "BIG 3" - with some judicious substitutions from the aftermarket. I have more specific detailed information I can give you by email if you send me a PM with an address. 
   

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Has anyone bought one of these off ebay? Or am i wasting my money?

Ebay - Dizzy

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wher i live in western canada there are lots of dura spark 2 boxes in the wreckers for 25 to 30 cn dollers.,includeing a distributor from 302 with all the other spare parts. have several frends that have much grief with msd electronic systems, but we in canada  and our low $ look for a inexpensive solution that work.
the real test will come from ted and his dyno. I am convinced the duraspark solution makes most sense for every day street ride.
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Yes, there is a big difference in cost, probably at least double but you get something better with an aftermarket box.

You can use just about any aftermarket box there is with a Duraspark distributor so your options are many.



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Is there a big difference in cost between the MSD box compatible with the Duraspark and a stock ford box for the Durabox? Not sure what options I have for a box if I go with the rebuilt duraspark distributer available on Ebay.

Darrell Howard Whitefish, MT Outlaw 56 Ford F-100's
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charliemccraney (3/6/2016)
I don't know what MMS is so I may be out of line here.
Now we are not talking apples to apples about hardware.  Duraspark with an aftermarket box will be better than MSD 8383 without a box, so even though the Duraspark arrangement may cost a little more, it should be better and get the most for your money.

My fault, meant MSD, not MMS.


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Hopefully Steve Metzger -Greenbird will see this Topic and give his Expertise. He's done Duraspark Conversions and other interesting Ignition Setups. If you go back to some of his Postings You will see what He has done. 

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