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Does anyone have a pic or diagram of the pipe layout for power brakes?
Converting mine with a VH40 booster (PBR).
Brake bloke said to only plumb the front brakes to booster - any thoughts?
Thanks, Al.
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Hi Al

I might be wrong but if you still only have the single circuit mastercylinder then you will need to have the booster on all the brakes.
I don't see this as an issue as the different size wheel cylinders will still provide proportional braking as it was designed, just now there will be a bit more pressure all round.
I have the boosted dual line mastercylinder from Old Irish Dave on 4 wheel drums and I have to say the brakes are fantastic and far better than I anticipated


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I plumbed to the front brakes only today, on two different 'experts' advice.

I figured that if no good I can always re-do them.

Being on Historic Registration, everything is supposed to at least "look" original,
therefore no dual circuit system.
I hope they don't notice the alternator if i get checked...

The front bleed screws have no nipple, and are right in behind the spindle,
so fluid goes everywhere, is that standard or do i have dodgy slave cylinders?



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Here’s the link to a previously posted picture of the factory installed brake booster on a ’55 Ford station wagon.  All four wheels were power brake boosted.


http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/FindPost23011.aspx



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Ted (5/10/2014)

Here’s the link to a previously posted picture of the factory installed brake booster on a ’55 Ford station wagon.  All four wheels were power brake boosted.


http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/FindPost23011.aspx



Thanks Ted.

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snowcone (5/10/2014)
Hi Al

I might be wrong but if you still only have the single circuit mastercylinder then you will need to have the booster on all the brakes.
I don't see this as an issue as the different size wheel cylinders will still provide proportional braking as it was designed, just now there will be a bit more pressure all round.
I have the boosted dual line mastercylinder from Old Irish Dave on 4 wheel drums and I have to say the brakes are fantastic and far better than I anticipated

I was trying to "quote" slick56's" statement about only plumbing the front Brakes to the Booster.
If you only have the front brakes plumbed into the booster what is operating the rear brakes?I did my 56 and my buddies 55 with Drums all around and as mentioned it makes a BIG difference in the way the Brakes work.I have front Discs on my 56 and I redid the plumbing when the Engine was out.It wasn't a great deal of work to make the Drum setup on the 55 into a Dual System using Irish Daves Master/Booster combo.

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Hi Al

I might be wrong but if you still only have the single circuit mastercylinder then you will need to have the booster on all the brakes.
I don't see this as an issue as the different size wheel cylinders will still provide proportional braking as it was designed, just now there will be a bit more pressure all round.
I have the boosted dual line mastercylinder from Old Irish Dave on 4 wheel drums and I have to say the brakes are fantastic and far better than I anticipated

I was trying to "quote" slick56's" statement about only plumbing the front Brakes to the Booster.
If you only have the front brakes plumbed into the booster what is operating the rear brakes?I did my 56 and my buddies 55 with Drums all around and as mentioned it makes a BIG difference in the way the Brakes work.I have front Discs on my 56 and I redid the plumbing when the Engine was out.It wasn't a great deal of work to make the Drum setup on the 55 into a Dual System using Irish Daves Master/Booster combo.


The Master goes to a T, one line going to the rear brakes, the other to another T which does both front brakes.
I have taken a pipe from the first T (which went to the front brakes) to the booster, then from the booster
to the second T which splits to do both front brakes.
The rear brakes get pressure direct from the Master.

If i don't like the feel of it, I will plumb from the Master to the booster, then to the first T, and put back the 
original line from the first T to the front brake T.  Crazy

Both 'experts' (from the same brake shop, but on different occasions) were definite about only plumbing the front.

Due to Historic Registration here in South Australia, the car must appear as it came from the factory,
but period options are allowed (my painted cragars were available in '56... )  Wink

I get to use the car 90 days per year, but registration fees are also 1/4th the annual fee, and i can 
register up to 3 years in advance. A log book has to be filled in every time i drive it though.



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In the days of the early GT Falcons only the front brakes were boosted as they had disc brake front and drum rear with a dual circuit master cylinder. The Aus Customlines boosted both front and rear. As stated the wheel cylinders do the brake pro portioning. On a single circuit system with the front boosted and the rear non boosted, I cannot see how the system can work safely. The remote booster acts as a vacuum assisted master cylinder.
I am on historic registration here in West Australia and run a pedal vac system. If I had been confronted about using the booster I would have simply just used the dual master cylinder. In my opinion single master cylinder systems are dangerous. I have had a brake line burst and thankfully had a good working handbrake and manual transmission. With an automatic at highway speed I doubt a handbrake would stop you safely.
I think you received information that "may?" function if you used a dual circuit master cylinder with different hydraulic requirements but certainly not for a single system with drum brakes. What they have done is completely muck up the brake balance.
You will undoubtedly run into the main detractor of drum brakes in an emergency braking situation. Brake fade - as the rears will not be working.

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In the late 90's I put disk brakes on the front of my 55 bird, using a common kit. The kit came with an OEM style booster, which boosted the front disk. There were replacement wheel cylinders for the rear drums. Supposedly, the "self energizing" drums, with the proper size cylinders, a dual master, and the boost to the discs in front, would balance. They worked for many years, although the rears did lock early for my taste. I suspect you'll find the rears don't see enough pressure to work properly, and in the event of a failure, nothing works. I had a brake failure, single system, when the line on the rear axle fractured. I never forgot that. I also had a straight road, no cross traffic a manual, and a good handbrake.

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Ted (5/10/2014)

Here’s the link to a previously posted picture of the factory installed brake booster on a ’55 Ford station wagon.  All four wheels were power brake boosted.


http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/FindPost23011.aspx


Not a very good picture. I'd like to see a better one if possible. I have a Midland booster I'm planning to install.


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