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Cactus: Are you sure that you have the correct length bolts in the right postions? Or maybe a couple of bolts are bottomed out?

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Bolts were in proper holes, but I did not know that bolts could bottom out. That is something I will check.

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If one was shopping for factory posted heads what would one look for?

Doing Fords for 45 years. '56 Customline Victoria

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Check John Mummert's Y Block site for a complete list and description of heads.

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Jan,



Try to get a handle on Bill Coleman who was a co owner of Coleman Bros Speed shop on Rt 1 in Bowie Md. He retired, sold his interest in the speed shop, and moved all his machines and tools to his home near BWI when Rt 1 started to be redeveloped. If the speed shop still exists they might have a contact number. I do not have a number any more but he did all the machine work on the last Y block I built in 2007. He is very knowledgable about the Y.



He will know how to measure the amount milled off the heads but it is actually pretty easy to do. Just measure the thickness of machining pads below the exhaust ports on the heads. They all came from the factory at exactly 1". If your heads measure in at 0.950" then they have been milled 0.050". Most people in the '60's would mill 0.060" off them without problem using flat top pistons.

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Doug, Bill is the man that built this engine, using, if I remember right, the rods I got from you. I am taking the whole thing back to him today or tomorrow and I really hope that he can figure out what is wrong.

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Cactus (12/8/2012)
I have some old G heads and I can't get them to hold compression. Since I have neither the shop, the knowledge, or the inclination to try to post them, I am thinking about having them posted. Any idea what that would cost or is it even cost effective? If that won't work I guess I will search for another set.

It’s the unposted ECZ-G heads that appear to have the most issues with blowing head gaskets either when the compression ratio is stepped up or the heads themselves have been milled more than 0.025”. The ECZ-C heads are cast differently in the water jackets around the intake ports and because of this they do not have the same propensity for blowing head gaskets on cylinders 1, 3, 6, & 8 like the ‘G’ heads do. Here are a couple of links to past threads on do it yourself posting of the G heads.

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic33877-3-1.aspx#bm33879

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic47592-3-1.aspx

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Cactus (12/8/2012)
I am probably around 9.3 with domed pistons. I thought I could get away with these heads but it is not happening.
Most domed pistons have a 10cc dome so I used that value in the following calculation.  A +030 over 312 with the pistons 0.025” in the hole and heads that have only a light cut (68cc) will still net 10.0:1 static compression ratio.  This will prove to be too much cr for unposted G heads even if they are not milled beyond 0.025”.  If the block is zero decked or is bored larger, the cr simply gets higher and compounds the issue.

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Thank you Ted, I have printed out the instructions for posting, but I just don't have the tools to do it. I am taking the heads and block (which can't keep a rear main in it) to my builder to see what he can come up with. I have some old C heads, but I have recently found some 471 heads which I think I will use.

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Ted (12/10/2012) This will prove to be too much cr for unposted G heads even if they are not milled beyond 0.025”


Ted,

Would it be safe to assume that, exact static CR #s notwithstanding, if it runs ok on pump gas without having to retard the ignition, a properly prepared/assembled motor with good unposted "G" heads should not (under ordinary circumstances) suffer gasket failure?

If presented with an engine who's static CR WAS borderline, wouldn't the simplest cure (as opposed to tearing it down and starting over) be merely to retard the cam timing a bit and lower the dynamic CR? You would then have the additional "easy" adjunct of retarding/fine-tuning the distributor a tad if absolutely necessary?

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