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MoonShadow (7/27/2012)
Ted, When you dyno'd my new engine did you use my valley cover and the PCV valve thats in it? I bought that one on size to fit the hole and not by engine size. It could be too big and possibly be part of my erratic idle problems? Chuck

Chuck.  While your aluminum valley cover had a threaded hole at the back of it for a screw in style of PCV valve, it has a plug in the hole.  I did not find a PCV valve in your pile of parts.  The flat bowl Holley carb you provided did have a hose on it though but no PCV valve sticking on its end.  Your engine so far has been run without a PCV valve.   That’s simply due to the engine being run with the roots blower and not the McCulloch unit.  At this point, it’s been more expedient from a testing standpoint to not have PCV in place.  When I get the engine back on the dyno, I’ll fit a PCV valve to it so it’s tuned with the valve in place.

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Ted,

When you dyno'd my new engine did you use my valley cover and the PCV valve thats in it? I bought that one on size to fit the hole and not by engine size. It could be too big and possibly be part of my erratic idle problems? Chuck

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Thanks Ted, that is awesome info.

1958 F100 292

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Sebastian. Your are correct in that a PCV valve is a controlled vacuum leak. It’s metered so that the excess pressure from the crankcase can be reentered into the engine and combusted without leaning out the engine. Most new universal carbs are calibrated to include the PCV valve air flow as part of the idle circuit fuel mixture which means not using the PCV valve on a carburetor designed to use one will typically have a rich idle and possibly to the point that the plugs have difficulty in staying clean at low rpms. Whereas a road draft tube only works when the vehicle is moving, the PCV valve works as long as manifold vacuum is present. If you’re looking for specific flowrates, here’s the link and information from a past discussion..

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic22760-3-1.aspx

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The road draft tube concept was effective but not without problems of which the more significant would be emission deposits into the atmosphere as well as placing a large amount of oil on the roadways. The oil on the roadways was not only deemed a hazard for driving but a concern to the environment as enough oil was being deposited to make its way into the soil and waterways. The incorporation of the Positive Crankase Ventilation (PCV) system in the early Sixties provided a simple and effective solution to the aforementioned problems. Most PCV valves will move approximately 3 cfm of air during normal driving and up to 6 cfm of air under higher load conditions. PCV valves are tailored for specific engine combinations (usually by cubic inch) and as such, care must be taken when retrofitting these valves to engines not originally equipped with PCV systems in that the sizing of the PCV valve must be considered. A side benefit to the PCV valve system is that the crankcase is under a light negative pressure during cruising which in turn minimizes oil leaks that would be present otherwise. Utilizing a road draft tube in conjunction with a PCV valve negates many of the benefits of using a PCV system.



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Ted, I had done the search but did not see anything on what I was asking. I know I wanted to do a PCV and looked at what I needed and how to install it but I wanted to know a little more specifics of the actual valve and what I think I have found is that it creates the right amount of vacuum so as not to have a complete "leak" in the system. This tells me I can not run the gutless valve that came on the valley pan that I will be using. In all of the post you have there none has this information and thus my new post on a old subject. Thanks all



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Here’s a partial list of discussions found on this site regarding PCV valves. Using the search function will bring up more.

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Blocking off the road draft tube

Crankcase evacuation

Finned valley pan and PCV valve installation

Installation of PCV valve into the top of the block

Installation of PCV valve at top and rear of block 2

Modifying valve covers for PCV valve installation

Valley pan PCV valve installation

Valve cover baffle for PCV valve

Why a PCV valve or system?



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I used the valley pan for PCV. I removed the hose adapter and threaded boss the screw goes into. Put a universal pcv grommet in the hole and used a pcv valve with a right angle fitting on it. hooked that to the back of my carb.

Kenny  Onalaska, Texas
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[quote]cbass139 (7/24/2012)
What does the PCV valve really do?



Aside from environmental concerns, it extends your oil life big-time. I believe the PCV spring also balances/limits crankcase vacuum and pressure.

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Thanks guys, I went and got a PCV for a 302 which is pretty close to my 292. All the info was very helpful. Will do the work this week and see how it turns out.

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Cbass - The PCV for the application you are using had its valve screwed into the front of the intake manifold. It goes into a port that provided manifold source vacuum to P. brakes wipers - something - the port also incorporated a drilled hole into both manifold plenums. From the valve, a tube passed back to a baffled elbow on the valley cover. 

I have tried out the same valve (modified a bit) stuck right into the elbow at the valley cover - then plumbed to a carb port. It pulled way too much air due to the free flow and made my idle uncontrollable until I put an orfice in the line. As you can see in the picture - the orignal port was pretty restricted.

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/uploads/images/9ea2bf28-00c4-4772-9ac7-d154.jpg 
 Steve Metzger       Tucson, Arizona



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