John, the sedans and pickups have two basic divisions. 

Production (along with many other requirements) needs to have an engine block that was available from the factory during the model year of the body.  Aftermarket heads are OK if they have the same configuration.

Modified can have any engine and head configuration you want as long as it wasn't available during the model year of the body.

These are very simple and incomplete distinctions between production and modified, but I hope it answers the questions about the engine.   

If I am successful in putting together a turbo Y (Tim/Reed) the truck will run in three different classes.  First will be E/BMMP.  E motor (under 260 cu. in.) blown modified mini pickup.  The second will be D/BMMP.  D motors are 261-305 cu. in.  The last class will be C/BMMP.  C motors are 306-373 cu. in.  A "C" motor is the largest they will allow in mini pickups.  I guess they are trying to keep the speed down (good luck).

These blown pickup classes are so new there are a number of "open" classes, meaning no one has attempted a record in that class to date.  Both E and D classes have no record yet, but I expect someone to set them during the 2011 season.  The C/BMMP has a current record of 177 mph.  I believe the Y can be very competitive in all three classes and if all the stars line up just right, with about 600 + hp I can reach my goal of a red hat.

Charlie Burns Laton, Ca (South of Fresno)







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The Torino Ranchero was a good thought.  I have considered them, but I didn't believe they would get me where I want to go.  My brother has one and if I twisted his arm I think he would donate it.

They didn't have Y-blocks available, so it would be in the modified class with a Y.  It can run in either the car or pickup classes.  However, it would be classified as a full size pickup and with a turbo motor that I would like to run, it would have some steep competition.  The three class records for E, D, and C blown, full size trucks are all owned by Wayne Jesel from your coast.  He runs a new four door full size Dodge Ram pickup with a turbocharger on basically NASCAR MOPAR motors.  The records he holds in E, D, and C are; 225, 262, and 248 mph respectively.  By the way, the car classes are all faster than that.

I talked to Wayne at Bonneville and told him to stay away from the mini-pickup classes, he just smiled.

Charlie Burns Laton, Ca (South of Fresno)







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I don't think a Falcon came from the factory with a Y.  You could use a SBF (260) or a 250 six and run in the E class though.  I'm guessing that the early Falcon/Ranchero could run in car or truck?  Charlie?  I know they have been at Bonneville since they were introduced.

   God Bless.   Tim                           http://yblockguy.com/

350ci Y-Block FED "Elwood", 301ci Y-Block Unibody LSR "Jake", 312ci Y-Block '58 F-100, 338ci Y-Block powered Model A Tudor

tim@yblockguy.com  Visalia, California    Just west of the Sequoias

Tim is correct about the Y in a Falcon Ranchero not qualifying for the production class.  I didn't explain it well enough earlier when I stated that the production class required an engine available from the factory in the year of the body.  I should have added "available in that body style".  The rule book says that Rancheros and El Caminos can run in either pickup or car classes, but the car classes are much faster.

Although it would be cool to run a Falcon, if you wanted to be competitive it would be difficult without going to the newer supercharger classes.  The naturally aspirated classes have some impressive speeds.  In E/Production mini pickup (sbf 260 carb or injection) the record is 184 set in 1989.  This is the same Banks truck we saw in Charlie's earlier post.  I'm not sure, but I think the reason it went over 200 in a car class was because he used some kind of fuel and fuel would require it to be moved to a car class.  In D/Production mini pickup (perhaps a sbf 302) the record is 173 set in 2010. (there's a possibility) 

With a naturally aspirated Y in the falcon, it would be in the modified mini pickup class.  Current records there for E/MMP (a 258 cu. in. like ours) is 187 set in 1999, D/MMP (perhaps a .060 over 292 or some other configuration) is 204 set in 2006.  Both of these records were set by Bob Jucewic and he is the one who told me it would take about 650hp to go 200 in a mini pickup.  By the way his race car was a LUV long wheel base.  I think it would be fun in a Falcon (wheel base about 105") up to about 150, but after that the fun would disappear until you successfully finished.  This Jimmy I'm building has 123" WB. (still not sure what north of 150 will feel like!)  

It is in the newer modified and supercharged mini pickup class (no fuel allowed in any pickup class) that a mini pickup could be competitive at this time.  As I have mentioned earlier the E/blown modified mini pickup (E/BMMP) record is still open, no matter what speed you ran, it would be a record.  The same with D/BMMP.  However, the C/BMMP record is currently 177 set in 2008 (C is 306 to 373 cu. in.).  So this is where I am headed with the Y-Block.  I'm hoping to set or better any new records set in E or D and try to make it all the way to a record of 200+ in the C/BMMP class. (hence, a red hat)

Charlie Burns Laton, Ca (South of Fresno)







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        I thought maybe anything Ford sold in a vehicle would be legal. Since it's not you may as well use the slickest truck available, and that's most likely that Jimmy.

Frank/Rebop

Bristol, In ( by Elkhart) 

Harry in Mesquite, TX

Brother and I own/operate 1957 Ford Fairlane 312/4x2 and two 1963 Falcons 302 rollers carburated 600cfm, FE427 sitting in shed..

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   God Bless.   Tim                           http://yblockguy.com/

350ci Y-Block FED "Elwood", 301ci Y-Block Unibody LSR "Jake", 312ci Y-Block '58 F-100, 338ci Y-Block powered Model A Tudor

tim@yblockguy.com  Visalia, California    Just west of the Sequoias