The only reason I got the drivers side off is because I destroyed the door panel. The other three doors have good panels and I hope to reuse the base. I tried the door handle removal tool, tried the shop towel and ladies nylons (told by forum members to drag these idems thru to snag the "C" ring and pull it off), tried bent ice pick, bent pocket knife blade, big screwdrivers, little screwdrivers, bent tweasers, pieces of wire, tried swearing at them, tried begging....now thinking, how bad can it be to have one new door panel and three that are worn and soiled. The handles are held tight to panel with spring between door and panel and yes I did separate the big washer from the back side of handle to get at the grove and yes I am going in the right direction to push the ring off. I have done this before many times on different cars and never had a problem but I've spent hours trying to get these things off and I'm getting nowhere....the handles are at me....HELP !!!