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Holley 4000 teapot discharge nozzles

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I have disassembled a Holley teapot carburetor for rebuild and am facing the challenge of removing the brass discharge nozzles. In the past, I have ruined two of them by breaking the beaks off both of them in trying to push them out, I have noticed a notch machined into the tops of these nozzles and have been tempted to insert the blade of a flat screwdriver and gently try to break them loose. I have watched several rebuild tutorials including Hot Rod Reverand, and Mikes Carburators. They instruct you to remove the nozzles but don't show how . I am afraid that any scarring on the top notches caused by a screwdriver might ruin them. I am currently soaking the frozen in place nozzles periodically with PB Blaster and haven't tried to push them out yet. Hopefully someone can advise. Thanks
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Hello  I  converted a lincohn  carb so it could be used for supercharged engine. Had same problem. Called Sal, he gave me advise on what to do. Drill small hole  in recess  in top of nozzle. and thread tap it, heated it up a little with heat gun. Put top iof tap in vise pull it out. Think Sal puts lead ball in hole. Iam thinking of using set screws, many ways to seal hole. Replacement bushing are available if throttle shaft is  loose from TBird vendors. Thank Sal for info.
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Thanks for the advice but I think we are talking about two different things. The discharge nozzles on the 56 Ford teapot I think replaced discharge tubes in the 55 teapots. They are a very delicate part consisting of a brass tube with beaklike extensions soldered into a cutout in the side if the tube. Very difficult to remove once stuck in place without breaking off the beaks. I will continue to treat with PB Blaster for a couple of days. 
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Hello  If i could would send a picture of what Iam trying to explain.. All  holley 4000  Merc, lincohn , fords certain years i believe use them. Common problem, they are about 1 1/2long maybe 3/16 diameter with hood looking discharge port near top. Dont think you get them out as there no way to get hold of them. I have broken of hood discharge's trying. Send me a PM. if needed.
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Instructions in an original Holley manual instruct to remove these with needle nose pliers. Not much to bite on in my opinion and they probably weren't dealing with nozzles stuck for decades. Anyway, since I made this post, I found a wooden dowel rod that just fits in the brass cylinder behind the nozzle. I GENTLY tapped on the dowel rod and one of the nozzles came out. I am still soaking the other one and will continue gently tapping . There is a tiny hole on the side of the nozzle that I guess sprays fuel and would be hard to clean properly in place. My particular carburetor is a 56 model for 312 fords or Mercury. I am guessing that a lot of people have broken these nozzles in the past.
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The ‘Discharge Nozzle Assembly’ as identified in the parts manual is the fixture that’s pressed in at the top ledge of the fuel reservoir.  As you mention, I do find them with the elbows broken off and likely from a previous carb overhaul.  You do need to be extremely careful when attempting to push these out from the bottom discharge tubes.  Doing so applies a given amount of pressure to the soldered and unsupported elbow and risks those elbows being broken off of the piece that is actually stuck in the housing.  Those ‘elbows’ are fragile.

As Bill brings up, drilling a small hole in the top of the assembly and tapping that hole for a small screw is one way to do it.  I have a small diameter expandable mandrel that fits the indentation or recess on the top of the nozzle which allows the assembly to be pulled out from the top without putting any pressure on the unsupported elbow.  Pointy needle nose pliers are yet another option.  Early on for the really stubborn ones, I would use a small drill bit and put just enough hole in the side of the nozzle assembly so I could fit a pointed pick in that lightly drilled hole so the assembly could be pried out.

Here is a picture of a pair of fuel bowls with one having the discharge nozzles still in it and the other with them removed.  The ~¼“ brass tubes at the bottom of the fuel bowl is what I would normally call the fuel discharge tubes but those are not identified in the Holley parts manual I have.  Probably because they are not removable and therefore a non-replaceable part without replacing the whole fuel bowl assembly.  See additional picture below.
http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/uploads/images/4b2b6c04-57c7-4f35-8123-cb6d.jpg 

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/uploads/images/c45e45e1-4216-4d32-a2fe-6491.jpg 


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Thanks Ted. Too late for me as I broke the last one even though I tapped very gently. Fortunately, I have a spare. Do you reuse the ones that you remove by drilling a hole in the top? If so, what do you plug the hole with?
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Yes on reusing the nozzles with the drilled and tapped hole(s) in the top(s).  As Bill mentions, lead shot works.  A screw with some blue locktite works as well depending upon what size you threaded the hole for.


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Soldering the drilled holes to plug them is another potential option.  I do this for the secondary jets when I need a smaller size at which point I simply solder up the hole and redrill the hole to the desired smaller size.  I don't see why this could not be done also with the discharge nozzle assemblies if they were drilled and tapped in order to remove them.  Someone will have to try this and give us some feedback.  If those elbows are soldered in, then there's always the chance that any heat applied would make them come loose.

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I saved 2 or 3 of the discharge tubes that I broke. I noticed the soldered joint had been broken. On at least one of them, I pushed the elbow back in place and friction held it in place. I wonder if anyone has tried to resolder these. I even thought about dabbing a small spot of JB Weld on the joint. Trouble is, I don't quite understand what these discharge nozzles do. I noticed there is one tiny hole on the tube base of the nozzle and I presume it emulsifies gasoline. Do the elbows act as deflectors that should not be repaired or attempted to be. Also, the rectangular slot machined into the top of the nozzles appears to be a possible passageway for fuel. Maybe someone who has repaired these will chime in.


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