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I checked them and they are in the right place.  But some are obviously cut with a hack saw to length from longer bolts and some rather badly.  Like half of the 1st thread is there and the other not because of the angle.  A few 1/32 short as well.

I ordered a set of ARP bolts and washers from Tim McMaster yesterday and hope to get those soon.  The Edsel manual I have stated the final torque is 90 lb. ft. so I checked them with a wrench and were well over that.  Had to get most off with a 24" breaker bar as they were to murdered on for the powered wrench.  I was able to do a chin up with one.

I am hoping it's just the gaskets gone and not both heads cracked from overtightening on rebuild what with the oil and coolant mixed in those holes.

Got Bestgasket head gaskets to put on and will put it to 75 like Ted has said in the past.  

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70# for the short bolts and 75# for the long bolts are the targets for the grade 8 head bolt torque.  Assuming the new bolts come with head bolt washers, install the bolts first without the washers to ensure that the bolt heads go down flush or almost flush with the cylinder heads.  This will help to guarantee that the bolts are not bottoming out in their respective holes when you torque the bolts with the washers in place.  If the washers have a chamfered side on the inside hole, install that side up or towards the bolt head.  Be sure to lube the bolt threads before torquing.

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Thanks Ted.  I will do just that.  I am waiting for a set of head bolts from John Mummert.  They are ARP.  Called him on the 1st.

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Still waiting on a set of head bolts.

Called a supplier on March 1st, gave CC # but he said was out of washers and he was going to call ARP and get more and send them.

2 weeks later still no word.  Called him and asked about the order.  Got the old "umm, well, umm, did you place an order"????

Told him on the 14th "just send the bolts I will get my own washers! I need bolts!"  Hung up and called ARP for the washers and they gave me the part # and said Jegs was cheaper and faster.  Got them last Thursday.

Today, still no bolts, still no charge on my CC#, no calls no emails.  Sunday the 27th is the biggest car show of the year here.  Very nice one where they shut down the downtown.  You have to apply and then prepay if accepted. I would have to push the car there now!!!

I know it's not a big sale item for this guy, but I have bought an aluminum intake, one of his valley pan covers and other of his custom products in the past.  Why can't people just do a simple job.

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I normally purchase the ARP studs, bolts, nuts, and washers we use from Headbolts.com since my son and I use them for our other racing engines and they usually have what we need and ship the following day. I used them for my 292 YBlock and received them in 4 days as they were in stock last week. Came ARP lube also an 1 extra washer for some reason. Not one of our normal responders/suppliers here but have good to us.
They were the set with 3 different lengths. It’s the one receipt. I can’t find. It was not the set for the early engine.
If I would have thought about it I would have bought the 4 outside as studs by length after checking the depth of the thread and shank section needed from ARP. It’s how I buy studs for my GMC 6’s. 

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I saw that listing, but they have been showing out of stock for the last month.

At this point I would buy them from ISIS or Putin and pay dearly for them.

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I'm also looking for a set of head bolts and I may have a work around for the ARP kit that is backordered.  Following DryLakesRacer's lead, I ordered chbs-1221 from headbolts.com which are in stock.  That is the ARP kit with all of the long bolts the same size.  Then I ordered ARP655-4250 from pitstopusa.com.  That kit has 5- 7/16-14 x 4.25" chromoly bolts that I plan to swap for the outside bolts on each head.  Seems like it should work.  I'll post again once I get them.  
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But the bolts needed for the four long head bolts on the top outers are 7/16 -14 x 4.32" and the set in the ARP are 4.25".  Will it be long enough with the washer included?

Also just looked at headbolts.com and they are listing them as out of stock.

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Headbolts.com showed the kit in stock last night.  This morning I had email saying the order was cancelled and now I see it is out of stock.
As far as the lengths, you are correct.  There were no washers when I took it apart, so I guess I'll put it back together without washers. 
Using the 4.25" bolts on the outers without washers will be a lot better than the 4" bolts I took out.
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You can go to any industrial hardware supply and get Socket Head bolts and hardened washers in whatever size you want, just make sure there grade 8 or higher .


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