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Heater Vacuum Control Valve not working

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bergmanj (5/19/2019)
I'd be more tempted to buy a rebuilt unit simply because of them using more modern diaphragm material versus 50+ year old "original" material that could be rotten or brittle by now.

Regards, JLB

Tee-Bird Products is the only One who listed an Exchange Valve. I just heard back from them. The Man who was reconditioning them has been unable to get correct Diaphragms recently so no Valves are available. I guess I have to go with NOS and take a Chance. .

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I'd be more tempted to buy a rebuilt unit simply because of them using more modern diaphragm material versus 50+ year old "original" material that could be rotten or brittle by now.

Regards, JLB

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ian57tbird (5/19/2019)
I freed mine up about 8 years ago. The memory is a bit fuzzy on it.
 I carefully opened it up and the pin had seized. 
The diaphragm  was good so I cleaned up the pin and used rubber grease as it controls the amount of vacuum going to the diaphragm by pulling the pin out of rubber with a hole through it. The pin is moved by a bimetal strip to regulate vacuum. 
It was fiddly but if you have the patience it can be done.

There's more to this little valve than it first appears. I assumed it was simply a Mechanical only Valve to Control Coolant Flow to the Heater. The Lever moves fine but as U indicate there could still be seized or damaged Diaphragm inside. Thanks for theInfo.

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I freed mine up about 8 years ago. The memory is a bit fuzzy on it.
 I carefully opened it up and the pin had seized. 
The diaphragm  was good so I cleaned up the pin and used rubber grease as it controls the amount of vacuum going to the diaphragm by pulling the pin out of rubber with a hole through it. The pin is moved by a bimetal strip to regulate vacuum. 
It was fiddly but if you have the patience it can be done.
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bergmanj (5/18/2019)
Yeah, diaphragm is most probably cracked/broken. You wouldn't know for sure unless you take it apart.  I've carefully pried the seals on those types of  manufacturing & sometimes you can put them back together by re-crimping after "fixing" [when possible]; which is probably what the "exchange" people do [by putting-in a new diaphragm of modern materials].

Good luck, JLB

Thanks for the Info. There are several NOS original Ford Valves for sale on Ebay. Whats your Opinion  re buy NOS or Buy an Exchange Unit?

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Yeah, diaphragm is most probably cracked/broken. You wouldn't know for sure unless you take it apart.  I've carefully pried the seals on those types of  manufacturing & sometimes you can put them back together by re-crimping after "fixing" [when possible]; which is probably what the "exchange" people do [by putting-in a new diaphragm of modern materials].

Good luck, JLB

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bergmanj (5/18/2019)
There's a diaphragm in the "cricket valve" ; and, one in the manifold valve.  Another possibility: Sometimes the valve "shaft" gets corroded "in-place" and, simply, will not move.  I've had this happen in other similar applications.  Carefully work it loose, a bit at a time [if you can], with a small amount of silicone grease [the clear "stuff" used for electrical connectors, spark plug wires, etc.] into the shaft/seal area until it works smoothly.

Hope this is helpful, JLB

Very helpful. The Cricket Valve moves up and down freely. It was hooked up when I bought the Car but I don't know if the Heater Control was actually working. Rubber Lines to the Windshield Wiper Motor were falling apart which is T'd into the Heater Control Line. I guess the Diaphragm is gone in it. Lots of Vacuum in but very little out even in the full open Position. They seem to sell a lot on Ebay and they are also available as "exchange" rebuilt from a couple of Parts Sellers. In the full open Position I assume Vacuum should pass through equal to whats going in to  open the Valve on the Intake Manifold?

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There's a diaphragm in the "cricket valve" ; and, one in the manifold valve.  Another possibility: Sometimes the valve "shaft" gets corroded "in-place" and, simply, will not move.  I've had this happen in other similar applications.  Carefully work it loose, a bit at a time [if you can], with a small amount of silicone grease [the clear "stuff" used for electrical connectors, spark plug wires, etc.] into the shaft/seal area until it works smoothly.

Hope this is helpful, JLB

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Casco sells a kit to change the vacuum heater control valve to manual.  It's made for a 55-57 TBird, but may fit other cars. 


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Are You referring to the "Cricket Valve" in the Heater Box or the One in the Manifold? The One in the Manifold is new. I haven't installed it yet. I wanted to make sure the Valve on the Heater was going to allow Vacuum through it before I took out the Manual Control Valve I have in the Manifold now. Should that "Cricket Valve" allow Air  through when I test it using Compressed Air? Right now nothing goes through in any Position on the Dash Temperature Lever.

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