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Gaskets for use on ALUMINUM HEADS

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I'm thinking of getting a set of Mummert heads for my 312. My question is:
The block was machined with the pistons .020" in the hole for the use of shim head gaskets rather than zero decked for composite gaskets.
Can steel shim gaskets be used with Alum. heads?
Will using composite gaskets give me too much quench clearance (volume) with .020" deck clearance?
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About .035" to .065" is ideal for the clearance.  You will be right at the upper end with composition gaskets.  Composition gaskets are the better way to go.  They are much more reliable and don't usually require re-torquing.  As far as compatibility with aluminum, I don't know.


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Lord Gaga (2/1/2018)

I'm thinking of getting a set of Mummert heads for my 312. My question is:

The block was machined with the pistons .020" in the hole for the use of shim head gaskets rather than zero decked for composite gaskets.

Can steel shim gaskets be used with Alum. heads?

Will using composite gaskets give me too much quench clearance (volume) with .020" deck clearance?

Thanks.


My thought is that you need to confer with Mummert first...

Usually, if you notice on engines (modern) that use an alum head on a iron block, a Teflon coated/impregnated gasket is used to allow for the differing expansion rates of the block and head, possibly causing coolant leakage (the damaging of the gasket as the components move against one another).

I would think a steel gasket would cause surface damage on the alum head.

Just my opinion...












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John’s aluminum heads have smaller combustion chambers than the stock iron heads. ID your existing heads for chamber volume and take that into account. My engine went from 9:1 to 10.5 or so on the head change.

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miker (2/1/2018)
John’s aluminum heads have smaller combustion chambers than the stock iron heads. ID your existing heads for chamber volume and take that into account. My engine went from 9:1 to 10.5 or so on the head change.

Miker, can you please expand on this info? Which iron heads did you have before? What is your cam spec`s? Manual or auto. What is your " real world" experience driving with the aluminum heads, good or bad? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks Pete 

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Charlie's information pertained to the quench space between the cylinder head deck and the engine block deck OR the dimension between the piston at T.D.C. and the deck of the cylinder head .  As Charlie stated, too large a cylinder head quench space can result in ignition detonation problems.  The exact dimension of when that detonation situation may occur can vary with geographic location (altitude above sea level), atmospheric conditions (temperature and humidity), and the engine's normal operating temperature (cooling system condition, engine compartment ventilation factors, etc.).

Quench space dimension is a combination of piston top distance below the engine block deck and the thickness of the compressed cylinder head gasket you choose to use. 

What causes some of us problems is rebuilding a FoMoCo machined y-block that likely came off the production line with the FoMoCo pistons .025 in the hole (below the block deck surface at TDC).  In servicing the engine, if aftermarket replacement pistons are used (SilvOLite or Sealed Power as examples), according to the box they were supplied in, the replacement pistons were manufactured with a compression distance (center of piston pin to piston top) that is .020 less than the FoMoCo original piston!  Therefore, the new quench dimension without considering the compressed thickness of the cylinder head gasket to be used is already likely .045 inch.  

After you look at what the head gasket adds to that quench dimension, you may have a total quench space figure that is not good for operating your rebuilt engine where you drive your vehicle.  Think of your vehicle operating in the Southwestern states on a summer day . . .  Or your vehicle operating in a 4th of July parade.

Ted Eaton generated a chart that will help you to determine how many ccs to add to the volume of the combustion chambers your cylinder heads have (this will lower the static compression ratio of your cylinder heads) and how much compressed gasket thickness to add to the quench space dimension you have with your piston in-the-hole dimension.

Ted Eaton's web page info will supply you with the two information items mentioned above.  Click the link below . . .
http://www.eatonbalancing.com/2012/06/30/head-gasket-volume-calculation/

John Mummert's web page will supply you with the cc volume for many of the y-block heads you might be using.  Click the link below . . .
http://ford-y-block.com/cylinderheadchart.htm

Kultulz's comment regarding aluminum heads on cast iron blocks raises another discussion.  Yes, aluminum and cast iron expand at very different rates.  Using a steel gasket between an aluminum cylinder head and a cast iron block may also raise the concern of electrolysis taking place between the two different metals.

IMO, having your y-block engine block squared and zero decked is important to seriously consider doing to maintain original engine performance as you use over-the-counter replacement pistons and today's preferred composite cylinder head gaskets in your engine rebuild undertaking.


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Kultulz's comment regarding aluminum heads on cast iron blocks raises another discussion.  Yes, aluminum and cast iron expand at very different rates.  Using a steel gasket between an aluminum cylinder head and a cast iron block may also raise the concern of electrolysis taking place between the two different metals.


Actually, the dissimilar metals do not have to actually touch one another as the coolant will be the culprit if not serviced regularly. Any combination with an iron block i.e., ALUM intake - cyl head - timing cover and/or WP will trigger electrolysis via the coolant.




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You can use spray on or brush on Kopper Kote on the stanless gasket as a barrier material to address any "dissimilar metals" concerns.
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I looked at Eaton's site and read his test of alum. heads. He said his dyno mule's pistons are .025" in the hole and that he used Best gaskets...he doesn't mention quench or detonation in the real world (street).
If the Mummert heads the have 60cc chambers as mentioned in the article, I believe replacing my 68cc G heads and using shim gaskets would give me more compression than I want or need with my 228* @.050" cam. I'm worried about pinging/detonation with thicker gaskets.
There was also an issue with push rod  alignment. Two rocker stands had to be milled to correct it.
 Is ANYBODY running these heads on the street who could offer advice?





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