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The posted 'G' heads will serve you well, Small block. I wouldn't lose any sleep over the thickness of the deck surfaces on these. In rebuilding your engine, one of the 'things' you may want to dig into is the topic of 'steam holes'. Note: the term 'steam holes' is a misnomer; it refers to water circulation through the engine water jacket. The head gaskets you purchase from many manufacturer's will have directions indicating that IF your block and cylinder heads do not have these holes in the water jacket between the front two and back two cylinder areas they should be made.
After digging through the Forum archive of countless past postings of threads on the topic of 'steam holes', I have come to no longer add these holes to the engine block or the cylinder heads of the y-blocks I'm rebuilding.
What manuals or other sources will you be referencing as you work through your y-block rebuild?
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NoShortcuts a.k.a. Charlie Brown near Syracuse, New York
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Thanks to all the information all you guys that posted on this subject I have found the facts I wanted to know! My buddy and I went over to his garage to check the ECZ-G 1958 heads! We found that they are the later posted heads! When we checked them with the calipers it looks like they have not been milled and they look to be in real good shape. They should be worth rebuilding , This is good because when his heads were pressure tested they a found one of the original heads on the 1964 engine is cracked!
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Hi Small block. Click the link below to see a thread that delves into the ECZ-G cylinder head topic. -The short of it is that there are three (3) series of 'G' heads. One series was made in the '57 model year only, has different intake and exhaust porting than the others (different sand cores were used at that foundry for making the heads) and none of these cylinder heads were 'posted'. - These 'G' heads have the small letter ECZ-G identifying them. The second series was produced and used on all '57 model year Ford 272, 292, and 312 engines AND Mercury 312 engines until May of 1957. The casting letters identifying these were large letter ECZ-G. These heads were not 'posted'. The third series of ECZ-G cylinder heads were cast beginning in May of the 1957 model year. These, too, were used on all Ford 272, 292, and 312 engines for the remainder of the 1957 model year production AND on the Mercury 312s for the remainder of 1957 AND for all of the 1958 Mercury model year for the 312 engine! These cylinder heads are 'posted'. Clicking on the link identified below and working through the entire thread will give you pictures of what the difference is in appearance of the small and large letter ECZ-G is and that link also references another link for identifying 'posted' and un-posted cylinder heads. http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic113734-1.aspxAs y-block billy said previously, I would not be concerned as to whether your heads are posted or not posted. Unless you are building a y-block with a supercharger or turbocharger, I doubt that you'll experience a problem. Whether your heads are 'posted' or not posted is something to know as you turn to a machine shop to have them milled. As John Mummert's cylinder head page indicates, the maximum recommended material removal amount is different for the two species. The 'pads' on your heads adjacent to the spark plug holes and below the exhaust ports were 1.000 inches when originally produced by FoMoCo. Measuring those pads with a micrometer will let you know IF they have already been milled previously and how much. -Many machine shops do not know this 'pad' information about y block engine because of its earlier era and their available information. Hope this helps.
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Does the Y block engine have date codes like the later model ford parts do,, if so were do I find them and how do I decode the date code! The heads were supposed to have come off a 1958 292 engine but I have no Idea what body it was in!
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On the non posted ECZ -G heads, our man Ted says restrict milling to 0.025" Others have indicated they have milled them more in the past, but for any kind of performance use that's a risky move..
Paul
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Those heads are fine as long as you are not supercharging, the later ones dated after May 57 are posted. just dont mill too much off the non posted ones, I think most people say not more than .035" for the non posted.
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Thank you for the information on the heads , and glad to help any body I can The heads I have are the ECZ-G heads so they may not be the most desirable, sounds like the deck of these heads are real thin!
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Small block: INTERESTING comments from the old Ford mechanic about the HD 292 truck engines. Because of the limited HD truck application, I find that few owners of y-block cars and light duty trucks are knowledgeable about the ins-n-outs of this Ford application. The sodium filled valve stems with their 7/16 (?!?) diameter are probably another interesting discussion. You indicated that you've got a set of '58 vintage large intake valve heads. I've attached a link to John Mummert's web site with the listing of different y-block heads and their original application. Click the link below... http://www.ford-y-block.com/cylinderheadchart.htmIt's AMAZING the number of different heads that Ford produced for the y-blocks between 1954 and 1964. At one point, it was a matter of what transmission the engine was to be mated with or whether it was to have a two barrel or four barrel carburetor. In '57 they started simplifying the whole thing a bit... Welcome to the site, and thanks for making the time to share what you have picked up for info on the why-fors of HD 292 engine application.
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They went with the shorter rod for the heavy duty truck engines which was 312 length (which was a good thing if you wanted heavy duty rods in a 312) due to the compression height of the top of the piston, I believe the pistons were also forged instead of cast to handle the heavy loads and yes they were not intended for high rpm, most or all had the governed carb distributor setup which I believe was factory set to 3800 rpm.
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Thanks for all the information The rods in the pickup are C2AE! The valves in the heads on the engine are real small. I have a set of heads off a 1958 engine with the big valves so he will probably use them! A bout the rod length I was just talking about the reasons with a old ford mechanic a while a go because I was curious about the same thing, his explanation for shortening the rods on the Heavy duty 292 were as follows 1 A larger compression height made more room for ring lands making the piston stronger 2 The taller piston had better support under heavy load, this avoided the piston tilting helping to get a good ring seal! I asked him why not just extend the lower skirt of the piston and use the long rod ? he said when they experimented with that they found the lower skirt was likely to crack! About the re design of the 292 for heavy duty use, he told me that Ford was disappointed in the Super duty engines, in both performance and the way they slurped gas! There were guys that would refuse to buy the super duty engines, they wanted an engine that would get better mileage! The 292 302 and 332 were still in demand
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