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reviving "vintage" under dash A/C units...

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ouch!
well, he's in Abilene, TX for the time being and the temp there today is near freezing so I guess he can wait on the A/C for a while!
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Okay.  This is really very straightforward.  

An air conditioning system consists of an evaporator, a condenser, a compressor, an expansion valve and a dryer.  Older systems ran R-12, which was more efficient (read smaller evaporators and condensers.) Modern systems run R-134a, which is less harmful to the ozone layer.  They're every bit as effective as an R-12 system; they simply need a larger condenser (that thingie in front of the radiator).  

If you want the look of a vintage system, run the head unit - the piece inside the interior.  The most important differences between an R-12 and an R-134a system are the compressor (different elastomers for the seals) and the condenser (it has to be larger to compensate for the reduced efficiency of the refrigerant).  These are all common components.  The compressor mentioned earlier is a Sanden unit - not a Sandeen.  It's a standard swash plate design adapted to many installations; its modularity is what makes it an attractive alternate for vintage air applications.  

None of this is cheap.  To have a functional A/C system in an older car is going to cost you five figures - any way you cut it.  There are no shortcuts, as there has to be a compressor and condenser change to make it happen.  If you can find someone with a stash of R-12 (and yes, it does exist) the bill will still be within 80% of the cost of converting to R134a. Irrespective of what path you take, you're still north of a grand to get an A/C system going.  
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Years ago I had a 53 Olds and found a sears under dash a/c in a 62 Olds in a junkyard that had been sitting for over 20 years,all i did was install it in the 53 and it worked great and was still working when I sold the car. I wish I would have kept it since I want air in my 66 F250.


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I have a dealer installed under dash A/C on my Galaxie. The entire system is from 1974, same year as the car, and it works really well.
I think that the key is not making a "salad" of parts, and use the most complete system you can find. 

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I used a underdash unit from a 60's mustang or fairlane, put a sanden compressor and vintage air condenser on, it works well. It would be better with the correct metering device for the 134 a, but I'm no expert on that. I also switched a 87 t bird over to 134a, put the correct oil in the system, its been fine for 6+ years. I could deliver ice cream in that car. 

















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thanks for the encouraging remarks...
my son has in fact taught himself how AC basically works from reading an old service book belonging to his grandfather.

we'll keep your suggestions in mind when he has enough dough to move forward on this project!

Mark


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The compressor doesn't know what condenser you are using, it just compresses. The different condenser is for the 134 refridgerant so it exchanges heat more effeciently. 134 can be used in a R 12 system but it will not work very well. You need to research the under dash unit to see how it controlls the system. You need someone older than me for that, Try contacting a company that sells an under dash system, may be they will tell you how it works.

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Can I use a modern condenser with the Sandeen compressor and the old underdash unit?


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Something to think about
Older systems used and expansion valve and the newer units use orface valves. The condencer on a R 12 system wont work as well as a condencer for 134. Different size tubes.  I am sure it could be made to work, but how efficent will it exchange heat is another question.



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interested...

got a figure in mind?

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