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By Oldmics - 11 Years Ago
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I have seen some information scattered here and there on the Canadian engines.
While I have a feeling that there will be more questions than answers in this thread , I thought it a good idea to note some of the differences between the US and Canadian counterparts.
My comments are that there seems to be either no machining or any "dot" on a crank on the 312 engines.
I will also comment that I have a block that is cast CECK A that is a 312 engine.The A is underneath the CECK
Mummert states there are no 312 blocks cast as ECK, so I am guessing the "A" suffix designates a 312?
Obviously the "C" in the CECK stands for Canadian.
Canadian blocks also seem to only be marked by the distributor pad area and never on the sides of the block.
Can someone tell me where these Canadian engines are cast?
Please add on fellows.
Oldmics
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By 314 - 11 Years Ago
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as you may know the c in front of eck stands for a Canadian block.these blocks can be 292 or 312 I had both.i had a 312 crank from a 56 merc and it had the dot I have one now from a 57 and theres nothing the notch wasn't even cut out.these blocks would have been cast somewhere in Ontario but I don't know where.i never saw any after 56.all blocks I saw after had the same casting marks as us blocks. ialso have a CEBY block which was a 256 from a 55 truck
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By pegleg - 11 Years Ago
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The blocks were Cast in the Windsor Ontario Ford Plant. Also the source of the later "Small block" 302's and 351's.
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By Larry D - 11 Years Ago
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CECK blocks are usually all cast from the Ford Windsor, Ontario plant and come in both 292 and 312 cubic inch. Crankshafts for the 312 regularly came without the aspiirin size dot, especially in the run from 1957. There are also other blocks with the similar C prefix of 272 and 292 that may be found in Canada, Australia and other parts of the world, as Ford of Canada was also an export station, serving several countries.
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By lyonroad - 11 Years Ago
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Larry D (2/15/2014)
There are also other blocks with the similar C prefix of 272 and 292 that may be found in Canada, Australia and other parts of the world, as Ford of Canada was also an export station, serving several countries.
Right, I have a CEBY block with ECZ-C heads that came from a 1956 Mercury pickup.
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By yblock - 11 Years Ago
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Re canadian y blocks,i purchased a core from m@b (large loging co ) port alberny div. it had some strange cyl heads with huge intakes and sodium ex. could not use the heads and re sold ,the buyer told me it was a 312 with a forged crankand had no dot on flange. yblocks wher used extensivley in lumber carriers and forklifts.rebuilds came out of the ford rebuilder in vancouver. hopefulley some one will have more info on thes ys.
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By marvh - 11 Years Ago
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Another difference between the 312 Canadian blocks and the USA mfg'd 312 blocks is the 1957Canadian 312 blocks I have seen have the heavier webbing on the mains bearing supports and the main bearing bolt holes drilled deeper even through to the oil gallery by the filter,though not tapped through.
These heaver main bearing webs are like the USA B9AE and C2AEblocks. I have never had to drill the bolt holes deeper to install studs in a57 Canadian block only on the 56 Canadian 312 blocks. The 1956 Canadian 312engines don't have these heavier webs or the bolt holes drilled as deep as the57 engines.
Did Ford use the Canadian manufacturing plant as the guinea pigto test design the heavier webbed Y block? I don't know.
The 1956 Canadian 312 blocks will have a TV stamped on the left front of the block just below the cylinder head parting line and the 57 Canadian 312's will have VV in the same location. If you see VV stamped it is a1957 312 Canadian block.
CECK can either be a 292 or 312 engine.
Man this typing problem and missing letters is annoying!
marv
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By yblock - 11 Years Ago
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could be wrong ,but have a owners manual for 55-56 ford meteor cars.it showed only 272 and 292 engines avail in ford cars,292s wher 4vs. the pickups showed 239 for 55 272 for ford and mercurey pickups in 56, showing no 4v option. that does not mean that some special order with 312 could be so. the meatey canadian blocks wher probly to keep the industrial market happy as all lumber carriers had power coming off the front for lifting the lumber, i do know early on front necks of the cast cranks wher subject to breaking,mostly du to constent shock,and poor alighnement of the front gear box
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By 314 - 11 Years Ago
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your owners manual could have been a early print 312s didn't come in cars anywhere until arpil 56.all my 312s came from mercs you never saw one in a 56 Canadian ford a few were put in special order but I never in my life saw one.its easy to tell what you have for a yblock in Canadian cars by rocker cover colour 312 blue 292 black 272 red.
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By lyonroad - 11 Years Ago
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marvh (2/16/2014)
The 1956 Canadian 312 blocks will have a TV stamped on the left front of the block just below the cylinder head parting line and the 57 Canadian 312's will have VV in the same location. If you see VV stamped it is a1957 312 Canadian block.
CECK can either be a 292 or 312 engine.
Man this typing problem and missing letters is annoying!
marv
Marv my spare CEBY block has TW 3553 tamped n the left front of the block. Any idea what that means? Ditto on he missing letters.
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By marvh - 11 Years Ago
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Marv my spare CEBY block has TW 3553 tamped n the left front of the block. Any idea what that means? Ditto on he missing letters.[/quote]
Mark:
I have no information n the code TW. Was this engine in a pickup or an industrial engine as I don't have much info on the truck stuff.
314:
The best info I have on 312 engines in 56 Ford/Meteor Canada vehicles from people who worked at Oakville when these cars were built is there were 24 Ford/Meteor vehicles with 312 engines, majority were put into station wagons.
I have seen 2 cars with 312 engines, both have the complete history from new. One is very high serial numbered Crown. They are there, just the Canadian dataplate does not identify them like the USA cars with the "P" code in the serial number.
marv
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By lyonroad - 11 Years Ago
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marvh (2/16/2014)
Mark:
I have no information n the code TW. Was this engine in a pickup or an industrial engine as I don't have much info on the truck stuff.
314:
The best info I have on 312 engines in 56 Ford/Meteor Canada vehicles from people who worked at Oakville when these cars were built is there were 24 Ford/Meteor vehicles with 312 engines, majority were put into station wagons.
I have seen 2 cars with 312 engines, both have the complete history from new. One is very high serial numbered Crown. They are there, just the Canadian dataplate does not identify them like the USA cars with the "P" code in the serial number.
marv
Marv, the engine came out of my 1956 Merc pickup.
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By 314 - 11 Years Ago
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ill buy the 24 sinse I heard anywhere from 35 to less than 100.as I said earlier you don't need and code to I.d. a Canadian y block you can tell from 50 feet unless your colour blind.
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By aussiebill - 11 Years Ago
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marvh (2/16/2014)
Marv my spare CEBY block has TW 3553 tamped n the left front of the block. Any idea what that means? Ditto on he missing letters.
Mark:
I have no information n the code TW. Was this engine in a pickup or an industrial engine as I don't have much info on the truck stuff.
314:
The best info I have on 312 engines in 56 Ford/Meteor Canada vehicles from people who worked at Oakville when these cars were built is there were 24 Ford/Meteor vehicles with 312 engines, majority were put into station wagons.
I have seen 2 cars with 312 engines, both have the complete history from new. One is very high serial numbered Crown. They are there, just the Canadian dataplate does not identify them like the USA cars with the "P" code in the serial number.
marv[/quote]
Marve, reading these posts i see a similar thing emergeing, forget the 312 engs, but the Canadian eng numbers, mentioned. e,g TW 3553, I am v/familar with our Australian numbers and with canadian export theme. i assume for our Aust engines they added " A " to the prefixs, e,g ATW 3553. Examples here are ASQ ***** is 55, ATQ ***** is 56, ATW ***** is 57, AWQ***** 58, All 272,s, Do vary but Its the addition of the A i am pointing out. The number is on front of Left cylinder bank and block behind starter . LON has a geat list of these numbers which i cant find.
yyy
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By OlWeldinrig - 10 Years Ago
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I am subscribeing to this,I may have a number or two to contribute if I can remember to write something down.
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By OlWeldinrig - 10 Years Ago
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I have vv16509 Unknown origin but started dismantling for inspection today
 
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