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By Trevwood - 12 Years Ago

Just wondering what clutch will fit between my 272 and 3 speed manual?

Being in Australia I'm hoping for an easy off the shelf item, thanks, Trev.

Searched the forum but can't find an answer.

By Rono - 12 Years Ago

Trevwood;

Since no one responded, I'll give it a shot. You have to know basically what type of 3 speed trans you have, the diameter of the input shaft and the number of splines on the input shaft. Itis probably a 10" diameter clutch, so with that other information, you should be able to contact some of the aftermarket companies out there and get a replacement clutch disk.

Rono

By Grizzly - 12 Years Ago

Trevwood.

In Australia Customline are reasonably rare and most now don't run a y block Crying

What three speed are you running? if it's the standard three speed it has a really long cast iron extention housing and for RHD cars a really elaborate gear linkage mechanism that runs under the gearbox?

Try Cusso Bill or John's Rod and Custom or Macs or Carpenters in the states (two weeks and you will have your part) The last time I bought a clutch Daikin built one for me.

Be carefull a 70's falcom one will fit but a I blame that for a failed gearbox. (same number of splines but larger shaft)

cheers

Warren

By rick55 - 12 Years Ago

From memory, the clutch you need is out of a XT XW 3speed V8 clutch.

Repco sell them.

Regards

By Trevwood - 12 Years Ago

Cheers for the replies, I nearly gave up Wink

My box is a customline one ( long extension housing) with the elaborate linkages running under the box, I won't be needing those because I want to run a floor shifter.

I have a fly wheel, how do I measure to find out what size the clutch should be?

Thanks, Trev.

By lowrider - 12 Years Ago

Measure the wear pattern where the clutch disc rides on the flywheel.

By rick55 - 12 Years Ago

Take the flywheel to repco and they will match the clutch to the flywheel. To point them in the right direction suggest a 10" setup fitted to an xw falcon v8 with 302 and 3 speed just to set you mind at ease. the last clutch I fitted (4 years ago) was a diaphragm pressure plate, but it isn't as nice to drive with as the fork plate I had before. Depending on what rate of discount you can get, I think I paid $280. Ford used the same clutch setup on most of the v8s in Australia until they went to that dreadful twin plate. The clutch throw out bearing for the models I mentioned will slip on your clutch fork.

I haven't suffered any problems with my setup like Grizzly.

Regards

By Trevwood - 12 Years Ago

Thanks for that Rick.

By Grizzly - 12 Years Ago

Rick, aren't you using a all syncro toploder three speed from falcon? Falcon gearboxs have a larger diameter input shaft. The falcon shaft is 1/8 or 1/4 larger and allows for considerable slop on the shaft.

Trev, The Previous owner of my ute had installed a falcon clutch (friction plate). By the time I replaced it, it was shuddering to the point it was difficult to drive it had started to wear the input shaft spline and I blame it for destroying the gearbox. The gearbox had an excessivly worn bearing where the input and output shaft meet. This mean that it fell out of each gear whilst driving it. As the mismatched spline did little to support the shaft allowing excessive flex.

Regardless I was warned over and over when I was looking for a friction plate. At the time it cost only $10 or $20 for a specially manufactured daikin clutch over the price of the "off the shelf" falcon one. the right one through macs or carpenters will cost you only $80.

The pressure plate I had remanufactured and cost me less than a replacement diapham plate.

Cheers

Warren

By Trevwood - 12 Years Ago

Thanks for the info Grizzly.

I won't just be sticking anything in I want to get it rite.

My simple questions come from never having worked on a manual before, all my cars have had autos, so I really appreciate all the advise Smile

, Trev.

By rick55 - 12 Years Ago

Warren, you are right about the gearbox I am using. When I first fit it to the car, i simply installed it using the original cussy clutch plate. Maybe I was lucky but the shafts of the two gearboxes were of the same dimensions.

From memory I think the shaft is 10spline, either 1" or 1 1/16" diameter.

Regards

By Trevwood - 12 Years Ago

rick55 (11/26/2012)

I went to Repco and got quoted $500 for that clutch Rick w00t

, so far on the web I found the same for $325 plus delivery which was allot better.

By Grizzly - 12 Years Ago

Rick, There are obviously more than one cusso gearbox so shaft and spline size is something to keep an eye on.

Trev, where are you? what are your plans do you intend to change gearboxes later? I would check on your local clutch specialist who can rebuild your pressure plate. But you may be able to get by with just replacing your friction plate and thrust bearing. If you are cutting a hole in your floor I'd prefer to do it for a toploader or a T5. These may require a different clutch spline.

Cheers

Warren

By Trevwood - 12 Years Ago

Grizzly (11/28/2012)

Rick, There are obviously more than one cusso gearboxsoshaft and spline size is something to keep an eye on.

Trev, where are you? what are your plans do you intend to change gearboxes later? I would check on your local clutch specialist who can rebuild your pressure plate. But you may be able to get by with just replacing your friction plate and thrust bearing. If you are cutting a hole in your floorI'd prefer to do it for a toploader or a T5. These may require a different clutch spline.

Cheers

Warren

I'm in Wonthaggi.

What I have at the moment is a 272 in need of a re-build, a good gear box, a flywheel and bell housing with clutch fork.

So I need the whole clutch from scratch.

It's going in a 1930 A coupe and I don't intend on changing anything once it's together.

Would you suggest I get an original clutch setup and rebuild that? Trev.

By rick55 - 12 Years Ago

I presume you found something like this.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/V8-Ford-Falcon-302-Clutch-Kit-XR-XT-XW-XY-XA-XB-/280677845291#ht_1989wt_689

This is the kit I have used in the past. You could drop aussiebill a pm on this forum, or ring him - Cusso Bill in Salt Ash, NSW. He'll see you right.

Regards

By Grizzly - 12 Years Ago

Rick & Trev,

Here it is customline gearboxs have a 1" dia input shaft

early toploaders have a 1" shaft, later 1 1/16" & big block 1 3/8"

Found here a a two miniute google search and here http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Topic2564-5-1.aspx

Cheers

Warren

By Trevwood - 12 Years Ago

Thanks for the link Warren, sounds like the cusso box isn't worth the hassle!

When you say early Toploader what year is an early one?

Cheers, Trev.

By rick55 - 12 Years Ago

Early top loaders will set you back more than the clutch you are looking at. If you use a top loader you will also need the tail shaft front yoke and then get a new tail shaft made up to suit. You may find a tailshaft that is the right length but the original diff end uses an odd uni joint. The toploader box is shorter than the original. Mine 20 years ago cost $250 - I hate to think what it would cost now to get manufactured. If I had to do it all again now I wouldn't have bothered. The original gearbox was a nicer shift. The 58's used a right hand side shift plate gearbox and did away with the crossover. The top loader needs to be one that has the extra holes on its mounting flange. You use the two top inner bolt holes which are really awkward to get to in the car. The crossover for the top loader is a mongrel thing and does not work as good as the original Cussy one.

My gearbox came out of an XW ute or taxi. It is a three speed. I have kept it column shift as I like the ability to carry three people and keep the floor clear. A top loader floor shift will cost as much as the box in Oz. you will be lucky to get out of the whole thing for under $1000.

You can pick up floor shifts on eBay.com (US) that will fit the original box.

Your car will be worth more in the long run with the column shift and bench seat. If you don't like the crossover look out for a 58 star model box.

Regards

By Trevwood - 12 Years Ago

I'm onto a 3 speed toploader, clutch, bell etc complete out of a 65 Ranchero that had a 289.

Will take my bell housing with me when I go see it to make sure it will fit.

By rick55 - 12 Years Ago

That gearbox should work fine. Take your clutch plate with you as well. That box should be the same as mine and should have the multi drillings on its mounting surface. Try to get the front tailshaft yoke for the box as well - theyre up there with unobtainium these days. The advantage of the top loader is that you end up with synchro in first. You will also need a speedo cable from an XT v8 sedan.

Regards

By Grizzly - 12 Years Ago

Trev & Rick,

My point from earlier was to make sure you use the gearbox you will end up with and get the right parts so you don't have to buy again.

Do it right and do it once. Smile

A Y powered A model will be a nice ride. don't forget some pictures.

cheers

Warren

By Trevwood - 12 Years Ago

Warren, I have the cusso box now and I dong mind using it as long as it is strong enough (won't brake under normal driving conditions, too old for burnouts and crap like that).

But after reading the link you put up it sounds like the aren't very strong, so I contacted a bloke that has the Toploader and he said they are a really strong box, so it sounds like the one to get.

The coupe will be a long way off but I'll do a build thread somewhere on here as I go, Trev.

By rick55 - 12 Years Ago

Top loaders are a very strong box. The standard Cussy box is a good box also. In an A model coupe the Cussy box would more than hold up. The only advantage the top loader has over the Cussy box is that it has synchro on first which will make it easier to drive in today's traffic, though they are pretty hard to get into first due to their inherent stiffness.

My comments about a tail shaft don't really matter in your situation as you will have to make a tail shaft up to suit anyway. The shorter top loader may actually be a good idea for your application. The top loader I am using has given me trouble free service for almost twenty years - seen out two clutches- and is still going strong, though I am sick of changing gears these days.

I would suggest that you get a new Hurst shifter from someone like Speedway Motors in the US, whichever way you go.

You could use an Oz Falcon four speed shifter and just block out the reverse gate. At one stage I was going to fit a straight line shifter like the Impala shifters we had here in Oz in the late sixties but thought it would muck up the seating. In your situation you will only be able to seat two in the front so that is probably not as important to you.

My earlier comments about a 58 Cussy box would work well for you even with a floor shift as they are a mirror Image of the earlier boxes with shift on the right side of the gearbox and would put the shifter closer to you.

I hope we haven't confused you.

Regards

By Grizzly - 12 Years Ago

Trev, I'm with Rick the cusso three speed is a robust gearbox. The top loader is a development of it. I'm still running one behind my 272. Not being able to go back to first and with a standard 4.09 rear really sucks in Sydney traffic. I need another gear either side of my two speed.

Rick, I plan on installing a AOD four speed auto. I have the trans and the adaptor plate but need to do a trial fitting before going further. I cannot find out if anyone has installed one on the mainline/sunliner chassis with the large x member. Inital measurements looked good but things keep getting in the way. I get some time off over xmas but it may be too hot to do anything. We'll see.

Regards

By jrw429 - 12 Years Ago

So not being fortunate enough to live in Australia, what is a cussy transmission or cusso transmission? And hopefully not breaching etiquette, but how does that relate to "cussobill"? Perhaps the inventor? Smile

By Grizzly - 12 Years Ago

jrw429 (12/2/2012)

Ha Ha Ha Tongue

Very simply Australia got very few "American style" Fords in the fifties. These were up market and pretty much all Customlines. Aussie slang changes that to Cusso or Cussy.

I think Bill got his name from Drag racing Cusso's he also had a shop in Western Sydney which was one of the few places which catered for these fords.

cheers

Warren

By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago

Grizzly (12/2/2012)

jrw429 (12/2/2012)

Ha Ha Ha Tongue

Very simply Australia got very few "American style" Fords in the fifties. These were up market and pretty much all Customlines. Aussie slang changes that to Cusso or Cussy.

I think Bill got his name from Drag racing Cusso's he also had a shop in Western Sydney which was one of the few places which catered for these fords.

cheers

Warren

Warren, thats close enough and apt explanation. As my 1st car was 56 customline which served as the test bed for any modifications back in those days and have stayed with them to today, and have perserved pushing their exploits and supplying parts in a diminishing market place due to the internet. I appreciate you and ricks reccomendations for the lost aussies, regards bill. Smile

Heres a pic of my recently finished 66 mercury cyclone.

YYY

By jrw429 - 12 Years Ago

Glad I asked, I wouldn't have guessed that! So a cusso 3 speed is the same manual trans that we have in the US. Always learning something new.

By rick55 - 12 Years Ago

Yep, in Oz we didn't get the variants you got in the states. So we generally refer to the box by its application. T85 or T86 mean nothing to me or anyone I know.

Regards

By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago

rick55 (12/3/2012)

Yep, in Oz we didn't get the variants you got in the states. So we generally refer to the box by its application. T85 or T86 mean nothing to me or anyone I know.
Regards

Rick, i agree with that and fair enough as local terminology of parts is confusing both ways. Thats the beauty of learning things and shareing our interest from afar. Smile

By Trevwood - 12 Years Ago

Ok, I've got the toploader, it came with everything that came off the back of the 289.

I would think that I would have to use the Y block bell housing and fly wheel. Yes?

Which means the hole the box inserts into will have to be reamed out about 5mm so it will fit.

If not what do I use? Trev.

By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago

Trevwood (12/16/2012)

Ok, I've got the toploader, it came with everything that came off the back of the 289.
I would think that I would have to use the Y block bell housing and fly wheel. Yes?
Which means the hole the box inserts into will have to be reamed out about 5mm so it will fit.
If not what do I use? Trev.

The opposite applies, remove gearbox front cover , hold in lathe and machine cover to fit hole in bellhousing. Smile

By Trevwood - 12 Years Ago

Ok, thanks Smile