By BIGREDTODD - 13 Years Ago
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As it says, I'd like to find a nice Weiand 6x2 Drag Star Manifold... Let's all accept the fact that a 6x2 set-up isn't practical and get over it. I still would like to find one. And, for the record, I don't recall ever saying it was for street use Might consider an Edelbrock FM 657 as well, but would prefer a Weiand. If you have a nice Weiand, I might trade my extra set of Edelbrock Y-Block valve covers for it...valve covers aren't for sale, outside of the right trade deal... Please shoot me an email if you have one... bigredtodd@hotmail.com Todd
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By Rono - 13 Years Ago
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Todd; These intakes do have a real WOW factor, but I can tell you from experience, they really are not meant for street use and in my opinion, more trouble than they are worth. If your planning a race-only application, that's a different story. I had an Edlebrock #657 with 6 Holly 94's. The only way I could get it to run at all was to use only the outer 4 carbs running straight, non progressive linkage and blocking off the middle two carbs. I also had to plumb-in a remote t-stat housing. I sold the entire set-up on ebay years ago and went with dual quads which I'm really happy with. Anyway, just my two cents worth. Hope you don't mind. Rono
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By yblock32deuce - 13 Years Ago
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been running 6 2s on my 32 cpe on and off for 5 years. ran 3 2s last year, and although they were ok and ran fine, just not the wow factor that the 6 2s have. it is also true that they are not quite as responsive as other setups on the street, but set up properly , do not seem to require any more special treatment than any other carb setup past a single carb setup.i am running off the middle 2 with progressive linkage on the other 4 and mileage is 18 mpg on a fairly stout 312 in my 2800 lb. cpe.
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By BIGREDTODD - 13 Years Ago
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I often find embracing theoretical impracticality, if only for the sake of avoiding the mundane, to be a worthwhile effort amongst the other present stress in my life... In other words, still looking for a Weiand 6x2 Drag Star
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By PF Arcand - 13 Years Ago
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Y-B 32 Duece is the only person I've heard of in years that has run a 6 carb log manifold setup on the street for any reasonable length of time. Essentially they are a single plane racing item, and somewhat noted for poor low end throttle response. Unless a person has a good knowledge of tuning carbs & lots of patience, best forget about it...
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By gekko13 - 13 Years Ago
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Todd, if the lack of a suitable manifold is the only thing holding you back, why not fabricate one? Back in the day, Bruce Crower marketed "U-Fab" log manifold kits. These were just flanges and tubing which could be welded together at a fraction of the cost of the fancy cast aluminum pieces. By building a manifold you also can control the parameters such as runner length, plenum volume, and carburetor choice. Remember that the cfm rating of a 2 barrel is rated differently than a 4 barrel so even 6 of the old Holley 94's flow less than a small dual quad setup, BTW. I think you could build a system that had decent drivability and performance + the visual pop you seek. In your favor, the Y-Block has a dry manifold (separate valley cover), no distributor hole and the coolant outlets can be plumbed with flanges and hose. JMO
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By MoonShadow - 13 Years Ago
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I've seem them as simple as some curved exhaust tubing welded to intake flanges with a box welded on top to hold the carbs. Depends on what exact look you want. A long runner, semi tunnel ram U-Fab six duece manifold would be bitchin! Chuck in NH
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By yalincoln - 13 Years Ago
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yes, with 6 or 8 weber carbs!!!
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By PF Arcand - 13 Years Ago
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JMO: Can you elaborate on your statement that 2 Bbl carbs are rated differently than 4 Bbls?. Holley 94s for instance were nominaly rated at 150 or 155 cfm. So, on paper, 6 of them = 900 to 930 CFM. I'll suggest just for discussion, that's likely far more cfm than most Y-blks can handle, unless they have a substantialy oversize displacement & serious performance up grades.
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By aussiebill - 13 Years Ago
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PF Arcand (5/9/2011) JMO: Can you elaborate on your statement that 2 Bbl carbs are rated differently than 4 Bbls?. Holley 94s for instance were nominaly rated at 150 or 155 cfm. So, on paper, 6 of them = 900 to 930 CFM. I'll suggest just for discussion, that's likely far more cfm than most Y-blks can handle, unless they have a substantialy oversize displacement & serious performance up grades.Guys, let him run what he likes, , theres an old saying i like; " Run what you brung! and hope you brung enough?"
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By BIGREDTODD - 13 Years Ago
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Guys, didn't really want to start a discussion on the application woes of a 6x2 manifold. Fact is, this manifold will join my Weiand v/c set, and end up on one of 2 things at this point. Either a rowdy Y-block in a 1960's-era wooden V-drive (that is currently housing the neglected 375hp 390" that was originally in my '61 Starliner) or in a hoodless roadster or coupe. Either way, the "WOW" factor is what I'm after. I'm moved by everyone's concern...really, I am. Oh, yeah...still looking for a 6x2 Weiand Drag star
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By glrbird - 13 Years Ago
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Tod Have you put out the word on the H.A.M.B., Lots of carbs look GOOD!
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By gekko13 - 13 Years Ago
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PF Arcand (5/9/2011) JMO: Can you elaborate on your statement that 2 Bbl carbs are rated differently than 4 Bbls?. Holley 94s for instance were nominaly rated at 150 or 155 cfm. So, on paper, 6 of them = 900 to 930 CFM. I'll suggest just for discussion, that's likely far more cfm than most Y-blks can handle, unless they have a substantialy oversize displacement & serious performance up grades.Flow ratings for carburetors are measured at pressure drop of 1.5 inches of mercury for 3 and 4 barrel units and 3.0 inches for 1 and 2 barrels. So, to compare a 150 cfm Holley 94 to a 4 barrel, you have to multiply it by .707. That equals about 106 cfm. 106 cfm times 6 equals 636 cfm. You can see that the maximum flow is not that much as compared to a dual quad set up. The dreaded throttle response is, IMO, usually attributable to poor tuning or initial set up. I have seen several 6 x 2 and even 8 x 2 installations that run fairly well up to a point. Ultimately they fall short on power because they just can't flow even as much as a couple of small 4 barrels.
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By BIGREDTODD - 13 Years Ago
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glrbird (5/10/2011)
Tod Have you put out the word on the H.A.M.B., Lots of carbs look GOOD! Yeah, sure did... BTW, thanks for "getting it" Gary. Apparently I should have posted this on the general discussion board. Guys, it's not that I don't appreciate the comments and informed opinions, but I really don't care about how tempermental a 6x2 is. I don't care about net performance output, and I know that probably a "B" manifold would run better and be more drivable. A fuel injected 5.0 would be also run better and be more drivable, as would an FE, or a 455 Olds, or a 500" Caddy...all of which are options in-hand. I don't care to be ordinary, or practical for the end result here. I am looking for a 6x2 Drag star. PERIOD. Not looking for lectures.
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By Grizzly - 13 Years Ago
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Todd, Have you see these http://kustoms.com.au/osc/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=31. I'm not associated with the company nor have any info on them. I was just searching the net and remembered your post. Cheers Warren
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By BIGREDTODD - 13 Years Ago
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Beautiful manifold, but kinda steep for the amount of work still required to make it ready to bolt-on...and I'd really rather match my Weiand valve covers
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By NoShortcuts - 13 Years Ago
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gekko13 (5/10/2011) [quote][b]
Flow ratings for carburetors are measured at a pressure drop of 1.5 inches of mercury for 3 and 4 barrel units and 3.0 inches for 1 and 2 barrels. So, to compare a 150 cfm Holley 94 to a 4 barrel, you have to multiply (the cfm) by .707. That equals about 106 cfm. 106 cfm times 6 equals 636 cfm. You can see that the maximum flow is not that much as compared to a dual quad set up.
THANKS gekko13! While I've known that two barrel carbs were rated at a different pressure drop than 4 barrel carbs, I never was clear as to how to compare their flow ratings.
Going a bit further with this issue, the Holley 94 was upgraded over time using different venturi sizes and different venturi enhancements. The Ford EBU6 carb (Holley knock-off) used on '56 Fords had 1 1/16 venturis, 1 3/8 throttle plates, an automatic choke, and annular (?) style venturi boosters. They were rated at 245 cfm.
For those of us fiddling with 3x2 set-ups, your multiplier tells me that using one of these would flow ~173 cfm (in four barrel language) and the three together would be rated at ~520 cfm when put together. Six together would be 1,039 cfm!?! My recollection is that the '57 teapots were rated at 330 cfm each or 660 on a 2x4 set-up.
While a good four barrel is perhaps the best way to go performance-wise, especially with John Mummert's new manifold, I love the looks of the multiple carbs, air cleaners, and the linkage!
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By NoShortcuts - 13 Years Ago
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Well, Todd, it's the end of June. Are you still holding out for a Weiand 6x2 manifold or are you ready to look at another brand?
See ebay listing number 120741744796. This is an Offenhauser unit. It intrigues me because it takes 4 bolt carburetors.
The linkage for one of these set-ups must be something else!
Hope this helps!
Regards,
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By The Master Cylinder - 13 Years Ago
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I know it's not what you are looking for but there is a Offy manifold on E-Bay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Y-BLOCK-FORD-6X2-INTAKE-312-292-OFFY-RAT-ROD-GASSER-/120741744796?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c1cc4d09c#ht_500wt_1124
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By weiand - 13 Years Ago
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I have weiand Drag star model # WD6. not sure if anyone is intersted. Willing to give up cheap! getting ready to move.
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By BIGREDTODD - 13 Years Ago
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Still looking...
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By Guacamole John - 13 Years Ago
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Todd,
Ran across this at the Ford Barn http://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19249
Might be a dead end. Bumped it, but he never posted that it was sold. Might get lucky
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By NoShortcuts - 13 Years Ago
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Todd, patience IS a virtue!
IF you are still interested in buying a Weiand 6x2 manifold for a y-block, you'll want to look at this one! Talk about a blast from the past!
See ebay listing number 140614503968. This is a N.O.S. (!!!) Weiand WFM6 unit. It takes 3 bolt carburetors. This thing has been sitting somewhere for some fifty three years!
Hope this helps!
Regards,
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By Rono - 13 Years Ago
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Todd; Your Weiand Drag Star is on Ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-NOS-Weiand-Ford-312-Y-block-6-X-2-intake-manifold-hot-rod-rat-rod-gasser-/140614503968?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item20bd470e20 Good Luck! Rono
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By BIGREDTODD - 13 Years Ago
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Just to be clear...I'm not the one who choked up the coin for this one I like a balance between nice, and reasonably priced...learned my lesson on a NOS tailgate for my F-100, that will forever be a wall hanger now that repops are available for 1/2 the price
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By NoShortcuts - 13 Years Ago
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Hi, Todd.
I attempted to send you an email (in addition to my Forum posting) on this eBay listing via the Forum when it was first listed, but was unsuccessful. -System reply was that your Forum listed email address was no longer valid.
I understand your refusal to spend the 'buy it now price' on the Weiand manifold even though it is N.O.S. It seemed excessive, and would sour the securing-of-same for me, too.
My understanding is that the Weiand manifold was NOT sold either of the times it has been listed on eBay. An Offenhauser 6x2 that went last week was in the $400+ range. An Edelbrock 6x2 3 bolt carb. unit was also listed on eBay last week, seemed to be withdrawn for a period of time, but now shows as not sold (at least on eBay). It had only an eBay 'buy it now price' of (?) $550.
The Weiand, Edelbrock, and Offenhauser 6x2 units appear to all be 'significant' castings and very similar in design/ construction.
I recall that you secured a set of Weiand valve covers. Are you just trying to stay brand congruent on your build, or is there something different about the Weiand 6x2 unit?
Regards,
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By BIGREDTODD - 13 Years Ago
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As far as I know, there's no advantage in running a 6x2 of any manufacture on the street other than it looks totally bitchin! I actually would pick up an Edelbrock 6x2 is the price were right as I have a set of v/c's to match that as well, but am really after a Weiand. I already have a big port Weiand intake (3x2) but I'm really wanting a 6x2...the long-term goal is a radical y-block in an hoodless "A" roadster or '32 5-window. No brand-specific advantage that I'm aware of...More info than you wanted, but there you go NoShortcuts (11/21/2011) Hi, Todd.
I attempted to send you an email (in addition to my Forum posting) on this eBay listing via the Forum when it was first listed, but was unsuccessful. -System reply was that your Forum listed email address was no longer valid.
I understand your refusal to spend the 'buy it now price' on the Weiand manifold even though it is N.O.S. It seemed excessive, and would sour the securing-of-same for me, too.
My understanding is that the Weiand manifold was NOT sold either of the times it has been listed on eBay. An Offenhauser 6x2 that went last week was in the $400+ range. An Edelbrock 6x2 3 bolt carb. unit was also listed on eBay last week, seemed to be withdrawn for a period of time, but now shows as not sold (at least on eBay). It had only an eBay 'buy it now price' of (?) $550.
The Weiand, Edelbrock, and Offenhauser 6x2 units appear to all be 'significant' castings and very similar in design/ construction.
I recall that you secured a set of Weiand valve covers. Are you just trying to stay brand congruent on your build, or is there something different about the Weiand 6x2 unit?
Regards,
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By PF Arcand - 12 Years Ago
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Wow! Can't believe anyone would pay $710 for one of those intakes.. They are a very simple single plain log design which isn't suitable for reasonable street use. I'd bet money that a Mummert intake would be much more driveable & likely perform far better overall, & definately be far less troublesome..
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By 57FordPU - 12 Years Ago
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I get the feelings about driveability and performance, but guys, an open hood roadster with a 4 bbl instead of 6-94s staring you in the face? Numbers of hot rodders would say "NO WAY"! It is not like he is going to drive this thing to work on a daily basis. Go get em Todd.
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By bird55 - 12 Years Ago
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57FordPU (4/13/2012) I get the feelings about driveability and performance, but guys, an open hood roadster with a 4 bbl instead of 6-94s staring you in the face? Numbers of hot rodders would say "NO WAY"! It is not like he is going to drive this thing to work on a daily basis. Go get em Todd.
I agree with you Charlie, if one is buiding a hotrod, go for it. I think a Joe hunt Magneto would look great added to the mix as well!
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By JoeBob - 12 Years Ago
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Yeah, Six Strombergs and a Mag!!! Static on the radio? What radio?
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By MoonShadow - 12 Years Ago
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When I was living in Hawaii we took a bunch of rods and drag cars on a couple of barges over to the Big Island from Oahu. One of the cars was a model T Touring with a well built engine and Magneto. It was on the first barge so the T was used to pick up the guys at the airport. Small airport I might ad. After several trips back and forth a airport worker was waiting for us at the curb. He asked "have you been making a lot of trips here today?" Skippy said yes, why? The guy explained that every time the T came into the pickup area their radar went goofy! I didn't know they could do that. But the guy swore to it and asked if we could use another car to pick up folks. Wild times. Chuck
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By pegleg - 12 Years Ago
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[quote]57FordPU (4/13/2012) Numbers of hot rodders would say "NO AY"! It is not like he is going to drive this thing to work on a daily basis. Go get em Todd.[/quote]Charlie, I suspect most of them do not understand Big Red. I'll bet he'll drive it to work when he feels like it and go right past the local cop on the way!
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By BIGREDTODD - 12 Years Ago
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To all the nay-sayers, I'm sorry that you don't understand why I want a 6x2. Don't worry about me, I'll be fine To those who do get me, many thanks! The dyno reports that I use are the relative speed with which the neighborhood children run for their mommies when they here my cars rumble. I love that this set-up has created such a controversy. Short of a blower, nothing looks more awesome than 6x2's on an engine, unless there's room for 8x2's as in the case of MEL's and HEMI's. On the HAMB, my signature states: "Embracing the impractical to combat the mundane since 1977" Enough said?
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By MoonShadow - 12 Years Ago
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Same reason so many guys run the 3 x 2 setup. A lot more look than power. I had a 6 duece setup on a 69 Firebird in Hawaii. It ran ok, took a lot of tinkering (constantly). No way would they perform anywhere near my 750 Holley. BUT when I raised the hood at the cruise nites I always could expect a crowd! Neat to be neat for a change. Chuck
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By BIGREDTODD - 12 Years Ago
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I found one! I was one of the crazies that bid the last ebay Drag Star up to an unreasonable price, and then one dropped in my lap...nice Y-Block Drag Star with a motley crew of carbs...I'm a happy camper. On a side note, this came up a week after I wound up with a complete 6x2 for an early hemi (below)...I traded this to a fellow who really wanted a r/b MEL that I had. This takes up a lot less space
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By LordMrFord - 12 Years Ago
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My vote goes to....
6 or more intake holes!
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By Glen Henderson - 12 Years Ago
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Good going Todd! That thing will look cool, just glad that I ain't got to tune it.
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By pegleg - 12 Years Ago
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You're a sick man BRT!!
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By MoonShadow - 12 Years Ago
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I had wondered about a multi carb setup using the Stromburg look alike EFI carbs. I'm not much on EFI but it seems that the electronics would balance out the carbs and make the setup a lot easier. Of course they are expensive. Maybe just the center pair with the other 4 blocked off. Chuck
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By 57FordPU - 12 Years Ago
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Real nice Todd. Patience is a virtue.
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By charliemccraney - 12 Years Ago
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One on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCARCE-WEIAND-DRAG-STAR-6-CARB-6x2-WFM6-LOG-MANIFOLD-Y-BLOCK-FORD-HOTROD-GASSER-/320882294415?hash=item4ab6133e8f&item=320882294415&pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr
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