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By 46yblock - 14 Years Ago
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I did a search and nothing came up. Perhaps this has been covered before. I've been trying to use Chem Dip (Berryman's) to clean up some carbs but they are not coming out well. Often there is a blackish deposit that looks bad. Maybe there is another process after ChemDipping they need to go through, or maybe I am leaving the parts immersed too long. Are ultrasonic cleaners the method of choice these days? I heard some time ago Harbor Freight had an ultrasonic unit. Anyone using it? Mike
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By Rex59F100 - 14 Years Ago
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Nope you're doing it right...but the cleaners just are not as good as they used to be. Both the Berrymen Chem Dip and the Gunk Solder(sp?) Seal don't work to well these days. I've been tempted to glass bead my carbs but I'm affraid I won't be able to clean out the passages well enough when I'm done. I haven't tried an ultrasonic cleaner, closest I got was the dishwaser  , but it might be worth a shot. JMO Rex
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By MarkMontereyBay - 14 Years Ago
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DO NOT USE YOUR DISHWASHER...trust me, I know from experience and the bill from the local appliance dealer. The grit and crud tend to take out the pump in the dishwasher at the worst, the least is that it will puke up the goo on your dishes and glassware for a long time. Google ultrasonic cleaners that you can build yourself. Environmentally much better and do a good job clearing the small internal passages.
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By 46yblock - 14 Years Ago
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Rex, I have used glass bead, but like you indicated, it gets everywhere in the carb. Was able to get it all out after a LOT of washing and blowing. Looking for a better way. Mark, aside from messing up your dishwasher, did it clean the carb? We need a new dishwasher, and maybe I could move the old one out to the barn if it cleans the carburetors. Hey maybe it would do a head  . Today I tried immersing for a couple hours in chem dip, then pulled it out and washed with water/brushed with gas, then redid it two more times. It isnt a good end result. I'm sure the carb would work fine, but it looks like crap.
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By MarkMontereyBay - 14 Years Ago
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Nope...the dishwasher deal was a complete cluster F&%k. Dishwashers can digest some soft food stuff but not things like grit or broken glass, etc. Dishwasher's have a miniscule little tin blade under a screen that is supposed to grind up this stuff in the water flow before it goes through the pump. Putting car parts in them is like pouring sand down your carb on a running engine...instant death. I did heat my Sanderson headers for the 65 Galaxie FE to 350 degrees in the oven and then painted them with high temp stuff while the wife was at work. I got away with that and the headers still look good.
Mark
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By geraldchainsaw - 14 Years Ago
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i've used what they call a vapor blaster on my 94's, and thats stripped down to the last bolt, never had any problems, its the same machine u would use with course or heavier type blasting material, only its a very fine grit, just run a air hose thru after your done, jerry
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By aussiebill - 14 Years Ago
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MarkMontereyBay (6/3/2010)
Nope...the dishwasher deal was a complete cluster F&%k. Dishwashers can digest some soft food stuff but not things like grit or broken glass, etc. Dishwasher's have a miniscule little tin blade under a screen that is supposed to grind up this stuff in the water flow before it goes through the pump. Putting car parts in them is like pouring sand down your carb on a running engine...instant death. I did heat my Sanderson headers for the 65 Galaxie FE to 350 degrees in the oven and then painted them with high temp stuff while the wife was at work. I got away with that and the headers still look good.
MarkMark, hope the good wife doesnt read this part! did you take the cake out first/
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By MarkMontereyBay - 14 Years Ago
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Bill,
To be fair, I am the chief cook and bottle washer in our house. Have been for all 30 years of marriage and raising four kids. She does cast a sharp look now and then at my antics but she likes the food and doesn't say much. I took off from home when I was 16 and learned very quickly that if you want to eat regularly, well and cheaply, get a job washing dishes in a decent restaurant. From there I moved up through the ranks learning the fundamentals and developed a keen interest in cooking.
Mark
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By 46yblock - 14 Years Ago
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geraldchainsaw (6/5/2010)
i've used what they call a vapor blaster on my 94's, and thats stripped down to the last bolt, never had any problems, its the same machine u would use with course or heavier type blasting material, only its a very fine grit, just run a air hose thru after your done, jerryThat sounds like a glass bead blasting cabinet, or is it different?
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By geraldchainsaw - 14 Years Ago
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u could b right, i worked at fords near heat treat, in the heat treat dept they had a heavy duty type blaster that used some black type material, it cleaned up heat treated steel and many other things, but the other cleaner or blaster was in the fixture dept and used a finer blasting material for fixtures made out of plastic, plaster, aluminum etc, very fine blasting material white in color, and thats the one i used for my 94's, they also sell the small cleaning cabinets at Harbor Freight < which i myself don't like, but if u have a good compressor they work fine for cleaning wheels etc, just my opinion, but like i said, i've cleaned my 94's with no problems and i run 2 deuces on my 51, maybe i;ve answered your question wrong, are u talking more about a chemical cleaner??????????, if so forg;et what i've said, jerry
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By aussiebill - 14 Years Ago
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MarkMontereyBay (6/5/2010)
Bill,
To be fair, I am the chief cook and bottle washer in our house. Have been for all 30 years of marriage and raising four kids. She does cast a sharp look now and then at my antics but she likes the food and doesn't say much. I took off from home when I was 16 and learned very quickly that if you want to eat regularly, well and cheaply, get a job washing dishes in a decent restaurant. From there I moved up through the ranks learning the fundamentals and developed a keen interest in cooking.
MarkMark, i understand fully, i too have been cook and bottlewasher for as long, although i couldnt claim a cooks hat, more like an old army hash cook !! p.s. dont look for me on one of those TV cooking competitions.
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By 314 - 14 Years Ago
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i bought a gallon a couple of years ago and found out it no longer works.i paid a good dollar for it.i guess the envirement police got after them.you may as well just scrub it with some kind of cleaner its just as good.they done the same thing with engine dip in my area.you could take a bath in that stuff.
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By 46yblock - 14 Years Ago
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I was talking about the glass media blasting cabinet. In fact mine is a Harbor Freight item. It is loaded with glass bead, that is probably broken down from its original grit size, due to being used a lot and not changed out. I used 75 psi on a carb a few weeks ago, cutting the pressure down due to aluminum casting. It does a great job of cleaning a carb. But after what I considered adequate rinsing and air blowout, I reassembled the carb. Filled the float bowl with gas to do some bench testing, and noticed a small amount of fine clear sediment in the bowl (glass media). Emptied, dissassembled and tried clearing it out again. Ended up going through the process at least three times before the media looked to be gone. And then there is always that nagging thought, "did I get it all out". 314, at $22 per gallon a person would think it should work better than Ivory dishwashing detergent...NOT.
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By MoonShadow - 14 Years Ago
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When you clean aluminum or porus parts with a media blaster it is a good idea to boil them in hot water a couple of times. The bead works its way into the pores of the metal. I found this out when powder coating some carb parts. They came out covered with "pimples" like small bits of sand. Evan after a super cleaning with prep sol. I would think this would work for simple cleaning of carb too. Chuck in NH
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By 46yblock - 14 Years Ago
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That sounds like a good idea! Maybe if I add a little alcohol to the boil it will knock down the temperature.
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By MarkMontereyBay - 14 Years Ago
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Found this on the web and it looks pretty hokey but with some additional expertise it could be improved into a workable and safer tool.
Mark
How to Build an Ultrasonic Cleaner
By an eHow Contributing Writer
Article Rating: (2 Ratings)
I want to do this! What's This?
An ultrasonic cleaner is a tank that has an ultrasound generating transducer built into the side or lowered into the fluid. A transducer is a material that will physically change shape when excited by an electrical pulse. When the transducer is excited it increases in size and the tank bottom or tank side will move. This movement creates a compression wave in the liquid of the tank, thus creating the ultrasonic cleaner.
An electrical generator that puts out a high frequency signal will cause the transducer to rapidly induce compression and rarefaction waves in the liquid. This will create a vacuum cavity within the liquid. The vacuum cavity will grow larger and smaller as the compression waves continue. When the vacuum cavity reaches a certain size the cavity coffee can no longer retain its shape. At this point, the vacuum cavity will collapse. There are millions of bubbles created that then collapse every second in this ultrasonic cleaner tank. These collapses are what clean the part in the tank. These collapses are so small that they are only capable of removing surface dirt and contaminants. The benefit to an ultrasonic cleaner is that the higher the frequency, the smaller the particles which allow for cleaning smaller items with more intricate detail.
Ultrasonic cleaners come in three sizes. The first is the small toy-like system that can be use to clean contact lenses or jewelry. The second type of ultrasonic cleaner can be used as a dental equipment cleaner. The third type is the industrial heavy duty type with heavy compound transducers that produce high wattage. Here, we will tell you how to construct a homemade ultrasonic cleaner that is a combination of the three ultrasonic cleaner sizes. You will be able to make your ultrasonic cleaner in five simple steps, with five materials.
Difficulty: Moderate
Instructions
Things You'll Need:
* Coffee can
* Palm sander
* Memory foam (between 1½ and 2 inches thick)
* 5-gallon plastic bucket
* Duct tape
Step 1
Turn the palm sander's On/Off switch to the "On" position. Do not plug it in.
Step 2
Tape the palm sander to the bottom of the coffee can tightly enough so that vibrations from the palm sander will be transmitted into the coffee can.
Step 3
Place foam along the sides and bottom of the bucket. The purpose of this foam is to isolate the coffee can so the bucket does not vibrate; only the coffee can vibrates.
Step 4
Put water into the coffee can.
Step 5
Plug the palm sander into the wall. The reason we had you turn the palm sander to the "On" position in the beginning was because now it would be difficult to reach the "On" switch.
Step 6
After a few minutes, the palm sander will generate heat which will flow into the coffee can. This will cause the coffee can to expand and shrink. The heat generated will produce and provide for the collapses which cleans the item in the ultrasonic cleaner. Once the heat begins the process and the can has begun to expand and shrink, the sander may be turned off. The heat generated is not enough to burn or catch fire.
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By 46yblock - 14 Years Ago
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That is flat amazing. Will HAVE to try it. Several decades ago while working in a hospital we used US machines for generation of fine stable aerosol mists, for inhalation. In 1990 they were 500.00 ea. So I understand the basic principles of the transducer. What really smart dude thought this application up! Dont expect the palm sander will generate the mist though . Thanks! Mike
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By veedub - 14 Years Ago
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soak your carbs in apple cider viniger
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By 55vickey - 14 Years Ago
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I've used cheap toilet bowl cleaner for years, some good gloves and a good rinsing, a buffing and all done, Gary
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By veedub - 14 Years Ago
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fellow y-blockers if you have a dirty carb mainley on the inside ( white power residue ect use apple cider viniger } works great
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By 55vickey - 14 Years Ago
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Just finished up cleaning a bunch of 94's. I've always used toilet bowl cleaner as I stated earlier. The carbs look showroom quality as usual. One problem, when stealing the wifes toilet bowl cleaner make sure it's not a "green" cleaner, baby shampoo is stronger.Make sure it contains hydrochloric acid and you'll have shiniest carbs on the block. Gary
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By 46yblock - 14 Years Ago
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About how long do you let the carb(s) soak?
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By 55vickey - 14 Years Ago
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I don't really soak them, I use a chemical brush, dip them in the cleaner, work the brush into the crevises and rinse it off. Rubber gloves are nice for the large flat surfaces, just rub it and rinse. Been using this stuff for 30+ years. Gary
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By Frankenstein57 - 13 Years Ago
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I saw a thread on the HAMB about vinegar, they were soaking parts in it and removing all rust. Some guys were filling kiddie pools to soak larger items. Plenty of examples to go from, some warned not to use it on aluminum and pot metal. As a plumber I have used it to soak showerheads and aerators, worked great.
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By davis - 13 Years Ago
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i'll have to remember vinegar trick.
i used that for showerheads as well.
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By hjh - 13 Years Ago
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The product that will work is " Berryman Professional Chem Dip" Part #0905 5 gal. is the only way it can be bought. O`Riellys Auto Parts has it at their Brownsburg IN. warehouse & other ones around the country I would think. Other professional auto parts should be able to get it,some of them say they can`t get it. Can you say "E.P.A." Cost $90.00 to $150.00 depending price rate you get. This is what I`ve used almost 60 years & it does`n harm any of the metals in carb. or transmision parts.It removes any thing including your skin if you don`t use rubber gloves. Remember if you want to get a can & share it, the top 1/3 of liquid is water that seals it from evaporating. It last for years if that water is on top. Harry Hutten Jr.
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