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By the human wrench - 6 Years Ago
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Hello everyone. I'm new here and I will get right to the point. Here is the car and here is the problem. What I want to do is get that unauthorized engine out of there and install a 312 which I already have. From the research I have done it appears I am going to need a Hurst FM-202 adapter (which looks like it would be pretty easy to build) a #600 Cragar or similar transmission adapter for the original 3 speed and an expensive Thunderbird oil pan or a more economical truck oil pan with the later pickup and baffle. I have read some discussion about distributors that the later ones are the best to use however I would like to use an electronic one but not one of those humongous GM type. My concern here is firewall clearance, I don't want to hack it up. I would like to use the "ramhorn" exhaust manifolds but don't know about clearance on the original steering box. So my questions would be....... has anyone here done this swap, is there anything I am missing ?
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By charliemccraney - 6 Years Ago
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I can't help with most of your questions.
RE the distributor, you want one with mechanical advance so that would be '57 or newer, or aftermarket. The GM HEI style of distributor simply is not an option for a Y-Block. There is not enough room to fit one. There are conversions for stock distributors, like Pertronix. If you really want to get serious, you can convert your distributor to use Duraspark internals which will then work with an external box, or use an MSD distributor. This will get the best spark but also has the highest cost. The Duraspark cap adapter and cap will work with stock '57 or newer distributors and gives you an HEI cap that will fit in the space allowed.
there are lot's of options for going electronic. If you search this forum for "electronic ignition", "Duraspark conversion", etc or google the same for small block Fords, the same info will apply. The procedure could be a little different but the principle is the same.
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By Lou - 6 Years Ago
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Years ago I had a 41 Ford Coupe with a 292 in it, it is a very hard swap to do.
you need a t-bird timing case cover
You need to use a "scruby ii" oil filter.
Exhaust will have to be fabricated
Tie rod needs to be droped
the good news is you shouldn't have any firewall problems;
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By miker - 6 Years Ago
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I don’t have a clue if there’s anything in common, but Rono and Midwest Mike have 37’s and 35’s under construction, they might have something to add.
http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic81637.aspx
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By the human wrench - 6 Years Ago
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Thanks, getting some good input. I forgot to mention the timing cover. I am watching 3 on ebay now. Does it have to be a T-bird cover or will a truck one work as long as the bolt bosses are extended? Lou, what in the world is a scrubby ii oil filter? Never heard of that. Do you mean a short Ford spin on? So far this sounds doable.
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By 56Roger - 6 Years Ago
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I'm a lifelong Ford guy. But in that same life I have learned a few things along the way.
One is don't tear apart a good running car.
Paint the motor old Ford blue or old Ford red, put on some unlabeled finned valve covers and drive it.
The majority of people won't know the difference. The people that do know the difference will know exactly where you stand.
The truly wise people will know why you didn't mess with it as is.
And you can always leave the hood down.
Looks like a good car otherwise. Spend your money and time on it doing something else. Like putting in a modern transmission. To me it makes more sense to add to what is there now, rather than undoing and redoing what has already been done. And it looks like whoever did the transplant did a tidy job. Why open that can of worms all over again?
Edit: By "modern" I mean from say mid-sixties on up. The main reason the old Ford transmissions got used so much in the early days of hot rodding was they were cheap and common as dirt. Not because they were so good. They wouldn't survive a hot flathead very long much less any transplant. They weren't "good" then and they are not "good" now. A Saginaw four speed would be great in that car. They are out of favor (read cheaper) because so many bad mouth them as they might break behind a higher HP engine in a racing situation. I say might because many in that same situation did not break. At any rate there are many good straightforward options for your setup.
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By charliemccraney - 6 Years Ago
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The forum automatically changes Che vrolet to scrubby. It's kind of an inside joke, but it is annoying sometimes.
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By KULTULZ - 6 Years Ago
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Lou (3/29/2018)
you need a t-bird timing case cover
You need to use a "scruby ii" oil filter. The BIRD and LT front cover are the same. "scrubby ii" refers to {{{{{ shudder }}}}} scrubROLET? What GM (other than AC DELCO aftermarket) oil filter fits a 292 (cartridge or spin-on?
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By MoonShadow - 6 Years Ago
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Did you get my EMAIL about the Hurst mount? Chuck
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By 2721955meteor - 6 Years Ago
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i just completed a rebuild of a 1949 mercury f47 ,292 with 4sped od manual,power steering disk brakes.
my advice is pull the sb chivvy out ,install a well dun 302 ford. narrower than the sbc disturb in front, parts are cheap and avail.
i have soft spot for y blocks, but heavey, expensive, not easy to coax big power with high cost of parts. nice set of edelbrock heads 900 for 2, 302 mu y alum heads over 2000 on she goes. spruceing up a 292 in a 55/56 ford car or truck is my way of having fun with a in its tim tough dependable and reasonable power. repowers, need deep pockets and able to do a lot of the work on our own so be carful.
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By the human wrench - 6 Years Ago
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No, I did not get an email about the engine mount.
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By MoonShadow - 6 Years Ago
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I have a Hurst front mount for a hot rod conversion if you are interested. $100 plus shipping from New Hampshire or I can bring it to the Nationals in June.
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By the human wrench - 6 Years Ago
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If I decide to go ahead and do this I will buy your Hurst mount.
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By the human wrench - 6 Years Ago
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56 Roger, first off thank you for the compliment on installing the "communist" engine. Yes, I put that in there. I too am a long time Ford man. My uncle had a Ford dealership in West Branch, Iowa from the early 50s until somewhere in the late 90s. Ford wanted them to go all computerized and they sold out instead. Starting in 1956 I got promo cars for every birthday and Christmas and in the 60s when I got old enough I worked there some in the summer washing cars and undercoating them. You can imagine how cool it was to be around all those new Fords. I will never forget that 60s new car smell. I also worked there as a mechanic for awhile after a little vacation in Viet Nam. I have always been over opinionated about my distaste for the bowtie brand and have championed FoMoCo, but when I bought this 39 the flathead was stuck worse than any engine I have ever seen considering the car was in a barn (yes, it is an actual barn find) with the air cleaner on it and the hood closed. It was way too easy to get the parts to do the conversion. And, not being really up to date on these things I didn't realize that now folks are taking out the older engines and installing LS engines in everything. So while your advice is noted and appreciated I have endured all I can of my buddys getting mileage at my discomfort when they can't wait to bring up the abortion under the hood. After owning a couple of 428 CJ Mustangs (when they were just cars) and no telling how many other 390s and 460 cars and right now having a 31 Model A Hot Rod pickup with a 428 PI and a toploader I also can't bring myself to put a small block Ford engine in either. So Gentlemen that is how we got here on the Y Block forums.
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By MoonShadow - 6 Years Ago
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Email your address and I'll get the exact shipping. chuck3eagles@comcast.net
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By 56Roger - 6 Years Ago
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Wrench: Now knowing your story go ahead and do whatever you want to do. You know what you're in for.
Yes the 50s and 60's were the pinnacle for new cars and everything that went with the new car scene. Has never been the same since. I'm glad I was there to see it.
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By the human wrench - 6 Years Ago
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Yeah Roger those days are over. Before I went in the service when we drag raced is was class racing and new cars were cool and fast. When I got out cars sucked and "drag racing" was bracket racing. Like you, glad I was there to enjoy the good times.
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By junkyardjeff - 6 Years Ago
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I will have to watch this as I would like to put a 292 in a real 40 one day,I have put a couple in the 1/25 scale versions.
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By the human wrench - 6 Years Ago
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Well, here is a little update. I wound up selling the '39 and saved myself a lot of work changing engines. I have re-invested the funds in a '56 Mercury wagon, so I'm sure I will probably need some Y-Block advice somewhere down the road.
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By 56Roger - 6 Years Ago
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Ahh, good sense prevails.
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By Florida_Phil - 6 Years Ago
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That is one of the coolest old Fords I have seen in a long time. I almost fell out of my chair when I saw it. I think it needs a hot rod flat head? Seems to me that would be the perfect engine. A Y block swap would make it look like an old moonshine runner. How about triple carbs? Wow...just like Thunder Road. If it were mine I would rip out that orange motor out in a New York minute, but I am not known as the most practical guy.
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