Sad, but still unbelievable


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By MoonShadow - 11 Years Ago
Check this out. What a sad loss but the seller seems unaffected by the condition. I doubt if anything on this car is usable. It got extremely hot to warp those panels like that. Chuck

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Thunderbird-N-A-1956-ford-t-bird-thunderbird-/300981720202?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4613e8948a&item=300981720202&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
By Talkwrench - 11 Years Ago
SHame.. Damn shame..
By The Master Cylinder - 11 Years Ago
Chuck, since you were perusing e-bay did you happen to come across this Jewel... I about puked when I saw it last night. I can't stand those giant wheels, bad enough on a newer car, but a '55 Sick Then I had to go and read the ad. SBC powered...Sick Sick



http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Uploads/Images/7966912c-a07e-4592-b165-f20c.png


Nice paint tho. Starting Bid... $45,000 w00t
By MoonShadow - 11 Years Ago
The paint is fabulous. I hate the wheels but its all the rage today. I suppose we should be glad the younger set is still digging tri five FORDS! I have spare wheels and a spare driveline maybe he would take $3000 and keep the drive line. Chuck
By Talkwrench - 11 Years Ago
No and NO !
By glrbird - 11 Years Ago
Maybe you could buy this one also and use them as planters in your yard. Talk about rust!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Thunderbird-1957-ford-thunderbird-base-4-8-l-/251350790746?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a85acb25a&vxp=mtr
By The Master Cylinder - 11 Years Ago
glrbird (10/4/2013)
Talk about rust!


That's called "Patina" these days...Smooooth
By NoShortcuts - 11 Years Ago
glrbird (10/4/2013)
Maybe you could buy this one also and use them as planters in your yard. Talk about rust!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Thunderbird-1957-ford-thunderbird-base-4-8-l-/251350790746?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a85acb25a&vxp=mtr


The seller's label of, 'rough, but restore-able' is a bit... optimistic... if not misleading.

While 'anything' can be brought back, it is possible to spend more time AND money on something than anyone would ever imagine, AND to realize afterwards that buying a more expensive 'core' to start with was really the more practical and economical way to get where you'd like to be in the end.

Looks like a parts car to me... or the skeketon for a serious drag car! Rolleyes
By bird55 - 11 Years Ago
I think they could be buffed out! BigGrin

Comes under the category of abuse and neglect.

http://frakesdesign.com/rustedbird/rustedbird1.jpg

Back to chucks original post:

An old acquaintance of mine recently decided to replace the holley on the 57 bird he has owned since the early 70's with an Edelbrock. He used a a flex fuel line. Out in the country on a cruise the car caught fire. He had to bail out. This story could be much longer with the gory details he witnessed, but the bottom line is the car burned to the ground. Nothing left of any use. Horrible thing to happen, but stuff like this DOES happen. We all have to be careful and not assume to much when driving these old cars. It's easy to say-where was your fire extinguisher?
By Dobie Gillis - 11 Years Ago
The Towering Inferno strikes again...?
By dbird - 11 Years Ago
Looks like the car in the current Early Bird newsletter. Rear brake started to hang up, overheated and the whole thing was over in 20 minutes. Same owner for 32 years.
By 56_Fairlane - 11 Years Ago
glrbird (10/4/2013)
Maybe you could buy this one also and use them as planters in your yard. Talk about rust!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Thunderbird-1957-ford-thunderbird-base-4-8-l-/251350790746?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a85acb25a&vxp=mtr


Looks like they cut out all the rust-free metal out of it.
By The Master Cylinder - 11 Years Ago
Yea, but it's a 312"!!!!w00t
By Dobie Gillis - 11 Years Ago
dbird (10/4/2013)
Looks like the car in the current Early Bird newsletter. Rear brake started to hang up, overheated and the whole thing was over in 20 minutes. Same owner for 32 years.


A cryin' shame. I feel for him...
By bird55 - 11 Years Ago
Dobie Gillis (10/5/2013)
dbird (10/4/2013)
Looks like the car in the current Early Bird newsletter. Rear brake started to hang up, overheated and the whole thing was over in 20 minutes. Same owner for 32 years.


A cryin' shame. I feel for him...


The one in the Early Bird Mag was not the same car, but I read about that one as well. The 57 I wrote about was a Fuel leak from the new gas line and carb.

The other one was from a collapsed rear brake line which caused the brakes to drag enough to start combustion.

I had the same problem with my 57 bird. The rear brakes were smoking and luckily I stopped before things got worse. It was so hot I burned my hand on the hub cap.
By ian57tbird - 11 Years Ago
What do you mean by collapsed rear brake line?
By bird55 - 11 Years Ago
ian57tbird (10/5/2013)
What do you mean by collapsed rear brake line?


The rear brake line, the flex line that runs from the frame to the junction block mounted on the rear axle.
These flex line (and also on the front) can look acceptable on the outside under inspection. With age they can deteriorate from the inside and close up. So then they start to work like a check valve, you apply brakes and release the pedal but the brakes stay on. Seen it happen many times.

It must have something to do with brake fluid quality and hose quality but I will have to defer to others on that.

Here I looked it up. 6 years is the life expectancy of the hose.

http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Mercedes-Benz/31-BRAKES-Replacing_Brake_Hoses/31-BRAKES-Replacing_Brake_Hoses.htm
By Doug T - 11 Years Ago
Re hoses, I had an Escort one time that had a steel flat bar bracket that was wrapped around the brake hose, it was factory stock. It rusted inside the bracket and built up the classic layers of rust gradually choking off the hose so that it acted as a one way check valve. The line pressure was enough to spring the bracket open but the brake fluid could not return and so held the pads on the disc. It took a long time to find that. I don't think Y block vintage Fords have such a bracket.
By MoonShadow - 11 Years Ago
I was driving to Boston one time with my 85 Mercedes 300D. It started loosing power. I thought the diesel lines were getting clogged again. Eventually it wouldn't go over 40MPH. Got to my appointment and started back everything was fine for about 20 miles and then it started slowing again. Turned out I had a frozen brake caliper on the right rear. It got so hot it melted the dogbone that attaches the sway bar. What a stinky mess. Chuck
By ian57tbird - 11 Years Ago
I had a car about 30 years ago that a front calliper kept locking on and I never knew the cause. It sounds like I finally found the answer.
By 56_Fairlane - 11 Years Ago
MoonShadow (10/5/2013)
I was driving to Boston one time with my 85 Mercedes 300D. It started loosing power. I thought the diesel lines were getting clogged again. Eventually it wouldn't go over 40MPH. Got to my appointment and started back everything was fine for about 20 miles and then it started slowing again. Turned out I had a frozen brake caliper on the right rear. It got so hot it melted the dogbone that attaches the sway bar. What a stinky mess. Chuck


It's actually on common problem with them. It happens when the brake system gets moisture and when the car sits for some time. The maintenance manual recommends changing the fluid every two years or 24K miles if I recall correctly.
I've had three of these cars over the years.
By The Master Cylinder - 11 Years Ago
56_Fairlane (10/5/2013)
The maintenance manual recommends changing the fluid every two years or 24K miles if I recall correctly.


OK, let see hands... How many change their brake fluid. w00t 'Bout as often as you change the air in your tires??


I flush the brake system on my bikes quite often (off road and riding thru streams) but I honestly can't say I went out of my way to change brake fluid on my car. One of those things ya just don't think of...Smooooth
By ian57tbird - 11 Years Ago
I flush out the brake fluid on my cars about every 2 years as it is hydroscopic and the water in the system is the main reason for components failing, but I did not know it affected the rubber hoses.
By MoonShadow - 11 Years Ago
You know I've always had a laugh when I see garages with a "special" on flushing brake systems. I only add as needed after doing brake work. Another new trick for the old dog I guess. Makes sense though. Chuck
By 56_Fairlane - 11 Years Ago
It seemed it didn't take long for the brake fluid to turn black in the Mercedes Benzes I used to own. It's possible it was just years of neglect that caused it to accumulate and the new fluid acted as a solvent. There have been changes to the fluid chemistry over the years, such as DOT 1, 2, 3, etc that may not be as friendly to the composition of the old rubber components in the brake system. The fluid is supposedly compatible but I have my doubts.
By Ted - 11 Years Ago
ian57tbird (10/5/2013)
What do you mean by collapsed rear brake line?


Over the years I’ve had several brake hoses that collapsed internally. They all did the same thing in that when the brakes were applied, pressure to the linings did not release when the brake pedal was released. In most instances, it’s always been the front hoses which are more prone to breaking up internally simply due to the extra flexing that takes place on those hoses due to the steering action. If I had to put a time frame on replacing brake hoses, I’d say do it mandatorily every fifteen years but I did have a ’62 Thunderbird that had a hose failure at the twelve year mark.

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As far as brake fluid goes, I’ve been running Dot 5 fluid in all the race cars and some of older driver cars for well over twenty five years. Dot 5 fluid is non-hyrdroscopic and that has eliminated the moisture absorption problems related to the Dot 3 and Dot 4 fluids. My ’55 Customline managed to get 20+ years on the Dot 5 fluid without issues before I had to go back into the system to replace linings and check out the wheel cylinders. It was nice to go into those wheel cylinders and not see any of the prerequisite ‘mud’ that is associated with getting moisture into the system.

By ian57tbird - 11 Years Ago
I had read that like oil, dot 5 is lighter and any water will go to the lowest points, being the slave cylinders, and could boil under extreme conditions and affect braking. It doesn't sound like you have had any problems though. Maybe it would only be an issue if it was introduced into the system as it doesn't attract it like the others.

On a different note, I draw the fluid out of my master cylinder before flushing the brakes so as to try not to push more contaminants through the system.