New Ford Y cylinder blocks


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By Ted - 12 Years Ago

Verne Schumann needs additional verbal commitments on the new production Ford Y cylinder blocks. At this point he needs enough potential buyers to make this project viable as the current list of potential buyers is too short to make this happen. If you think you might be interested in a brand new 4.125” bore capable block, then give him a call and get your name on the list. No upfront money is required.

His contact information is:

Schumann’s Sales and Service, 227 W Mayne St., Box 128, Blue Grass, Iowa 52776, Phone: 563 – 381 – 2416

Here are links to previous discussions regarding the blocks.

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic65514-5-1.aspx

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic73248-6-1.aspx

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic12901-11-1.aspx

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Let me add “Let’s not get hung up on crankshafts". .

Those will come if the blocks happen. In the meantime, the proposed block can still use factory cranks as 292 main bearing sizing is being used in the new block design.
By miker - 12 Years Ago
Ted, if my displacement calculator is working right, at 4.125 and an offset ground crank at 3.60, I get 385 CID. As I recall, the motor in my roadster used a 312 crank, never ground, no scratches, and using John's kit with 2" rod bearings, we only needed minor relief on the rods to clear his (at the time) 282 cam. Am I getting this right, or did the local smoke shop put Washington's new pot law into effect early?



Will the water passages line up OK with the aluminum heads? Does Vern still have the sandwich metal head gaskets, or do I need to ask him.



I'd really like to see the look on my friends face with the 383 LT-1
By Y block Billy - 12 Years Ago
hmmmm! just called to get on this list, but the other question is, what am I going to do with all the original blocks I have been collecting?
By LordMrFord - 12 Years Ago
Y block Billy (11/9/2012)
hmmmm! just called to get on this list, but the other question is, what am I going to do with all the original blocks I have been collecting?




Send them to Finland so we can boost them to pieces.
By PF Arcand - 12 Years Ago
Billy: I'm sure that there will still be demand for stock blocks, even "if" the new blocks get off the ground. Please don't get into scrap mode.. the cost of a new limited production block will be substantial.
By Ted - 11 Years Ago
miker (11/8/2012)
Ted, if my displacement calculator is working right, at 4.125 and an offset ground crank at 3.60, I get 385 CID. As I recall, the motor in my roadster used a 312 crank, never ground, no scratches, and using John's kit with 2" rod bearings, we only needed minor relief on the rods to clear his (at the time) 282 cam. Am I getting this right, or did the local smoke shop put Washington's new pot law into effect early?

Will the water passages line up OK with the aluminum heads? Does Vern still have the sandwich metal head gaskets, or do I need to ask him. ...

Miker.  Your math is correct in that a 4.125” bore with a 3.60” stroke gives you 385 cubic inches.  While Schumann had planned on having available a head gasket for the 4.125” bore, I already have the Best Gaskets here for the 4.030” bore for the Y’s.  With the raised cam option in a Schumann block, my own build would center on a 4.00” bore with a 4.250” stroke netting that magic 427 cubic inch number.

 

I’ve had no water passage alignment issues with the aluminum heads.  As far as steel shim head gasket availability, you’ll need to get with Verne on that.

By aussiebill - 11 Years Ago
Ted (2/2/2013)
miker (11/8/2012)
Ted, if my displacement calculator is working right, at 4.125 and an offset ground crank at 3.60, I get 385 CID. As I recall, the motor in my roadster used a 312 crank, never ground, no scratches, and using John's kit with 2" rod bearings, we only needed minor relief on the rods to clear his (at the time) 282 cam. Am I getting this right, or did the local smoke shop put Washington's new pot law into effect early?

Will the water passages line up OK with the aluminum heads? Does Vern still have the sandwich metal head gaskets, or do I need to ask him. ...

Miker.  Your math is correct in that a 4.125” bore with a 3.60” stroke gives you 385 cubic inches.  While Schumann had planned on having available a head gasket for the 4.125” bore, I already have the Best Gaskets here for the 4.030” bore for the Y’s.  With the raised cam option in a Schumann block, my own build would center on a 4.00” bore with a 4.250” stroke netting that magic 427 cubic inch number.

 

I’ve had no water passage alignment issues with the aluminum heads.  As far as steel shim head gasket availability, you’ll need to get with Verne on that.

TED or anyone that might know, has there been a ballpark cost on the proposed blocks? i realise numbers may vary the cost a little, but just a ballpark figure, would be handy to know before commitment, thanks! regards bill.Smile

By Ted - 11 Years Ago
aussiebill (2/2/2013)
... TED or anyone that might know, has there been a ballpark cost on the proposed blocks? I realise numbers may vary the cost a little, but just a ballpark figure, would be handy to know before commitment, thanks! regards bill.Smile

See if this helps for the pricing. There was also some pricing listed in the Y-Block Magazine and I’ll have to look that up.

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic65514-5-8.aspx#bm67485

At this point in time there are not enough verbal commitments to make this happen. Verne is already casting up some new industrial engine blocks so a new ‘improved’ Y cylinder block is doable on his end if there is enough interest. At this point he only wants verbal commitments. But he needs that first 30-35 blocks to initially be spoken for so that startup and tooling costs can be reimbursed in a timely manner.
By Ted - 11 Years Ago

I found this full page info sheet detailing the new Schumann block casting in Y-Block Magazine issue #109.  Suggested selling price for the block is $3975.  Click on the link below the picture for a larger image that’s easier to read giving more detail on the block.

 

Click here for larger image

By NoShortcuts - 11 Years Ago
Ted -



Glad you posted this page from the March-April 2012 issue of Y-Block Magazine.



I located the ad, scanned it, cropped it, but hadn't figured out HOW to get it inserted here in the Forum.



Your use of a 'button' to increase the size for reading is neat, also.



Thanks! Smile
By Fairlane Mike - 11 Years Ago
Frankly, Ted, they should provide you with one for a "non-destructive" test session! 427 inches of Y-block in a certain Altered from Waco, Texas running, shall we say a "high 7" quarter!! Might turn a few heads, be good advertising too!! Mike.
By Ted - 11 Years Ago

Mike. My sentiments exactly. But the first order of business is getting enough prospective buyers interested and their names on the list so that new cylinder block production can at least start moving forward. As it is right now, there are not enough names on the list for Verne to push this forward.
By charliemccraney - 11 Years Ago
Maybe he can go back to the people who have committed and say, hey, I'm not getting as many prospective buyers as I had hoped for. Without that number of people, the cost will be $wxyz instead of $abcd. Are you still in?
5 or 6 months with no significant additional interest seems to indicate that he has all he's going to get for a first run.