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By return road - 12 Years Ago
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Have a used set of edb-d heads, been cleaned and inspected and are untouched/unmachined, have original springs and valves looking for offers e-mail mdnapprp@aol.com thanks michael
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By paul2748 - 12 Years Ago
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I offer 25.00
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By Talkwrench - 12 Years Ago
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Geez this is getting like evilbay! maybe we should have our own auction thread.
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 12 Years Ago
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Paul: I don't want to offend you, I feel like we are friends. But I'm gonna try to outbid you, I'll offer $26. Surely the seller has a price in mind, I too feel he should state his price in his ad. If he wants bidding, he should use the auction site, not this one.
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By Glen Henderson - 12 Years Ago
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Amen John, everything that I own is for sell except my dog, and I will give a price up front.
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By charliemccraney - 12 Years Ago
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$26.001
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By LordMrFord - 12 Years Ago
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26€, used horn from Isuzu Bellet and 10kg potatoes?
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By return road - 12 Years Ago
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Hey Guys I read the posts and understand this is not an auction site ( never meant to offend anyone ) Im not an expert on 292 parts and countless searches for their value turned up nothing... even experts stated they didnt know exactly how much to ask for them because they are not for sale often enough to give an idea of what they're worth... I do believe they belong on someones F-code, so I put it out there that they are for sale and taking offers... not sure what else to do ... Thanks for your time
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By charliemccraney - 12 Years Ago
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They may be of significant value only to a person who is restoring or needs to repair an F-code to like new condition.
Where are you located?
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By return road - 12 Years Ago
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Hi Thanks for your interest ... Im located in NJ
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By pegleg - 12 Years Ago
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you should move this to the classified section, and think about an ad in Hemmings. Like they said, to a restorer they are worth more than most of us would pay. But.....you never know.
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By Y block Billy - 12 Years Ago
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I emailed him and asked for a ballpark figure and he answered that his high bid was over $5000.00 so far so I dont think that $26.00 is going to go to far unless you put a 5 and a few zero's in front of it.
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By JPotter57 - 12 Years Ago
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He should have torn an arm off for the $5k bid. For that you could almost two sets of Mummert aluminum heads, and have one set spec'd to an 82 cc chamber. $5000? Sorry, I dont think so.
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By NoShortcuts - 12 Years Ago
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Y block Billy (10/11/2012)
I emailed him and asked for a ballpark figure and he answered that his high bid was over $5000.00 so far so....
I wonder if the heads are 'posted'. Per John Mummert's website, my understanding is that '57 model year y-block cylinder heads were un-posted until beginning sometime in May 1957.
There may be some nuances to this date, perhaps supercharger heads got posted earlier because they were having failure problems.
Anyway, unless I was assembling a supercharged 'F' car for a museum, I would NOT use un-posted heads regardless of how 'correct' the casting numbers are. Use a set of 471s!
I have an acquaintance who has an 'F' 'Bird. He had to use metal stitching to 'fix' a crack in one of his combustion chambers. Yes, it worked, but I'm glad he doesn't delight in pushing the engine.
IMO, purists are handicapped in enjoying their cars!
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By charliemccraney - 12 Years Ago
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Y block Billy (10/11/2012)
I emailed him and asked for a ballpark figure and he answered that his high bid was over $5000.00 so far so I dont think that $26.00 is going to go to far unless you put a 5 and a few zero's in front of it.
Wow. I was going to make a serious offer if he was closer but it would not have been even near 10% of that. Glad I don't need them!
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By pegleg - 12 Years Ago
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Charlie, I started reproducing parts for F codes because of the outrageous prices for the original stuff. 2500 bucks for an aluminum bonnet! I suspected the heads would go north of 5 grand, and he will get at least that from some one doing a numbers matching resto.
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By yblock32deuce - 12 Years Ago
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you guys are a bunch of cheap skates. 32.50
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By NoShortcuts - 12 Years Ago
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yblock32deuce (10/11/2012)
you guys are a bunch of cheap skates. 32.50
I don't think that $32.50 is a fair price. Being 55 years old these parts are now eligible for antique status and that means they've GOT to be worth more. Going forward, they may be worth even more because they'll be considered RARE... something once made in America! Even today, at ~50 pounds a piece, they are likely worth more than $32.50 at the salvage yard. Additionally, it would not be fair to pay less for the cylinder heads than it will cost to have them shipped ANYWHERE in the country.
The earlier suggestion of using Hemmings is a good one. Too, there's eBay, although my understanding is that their fees would take over 10% of what the item brings plus a percentage of the shipping cost!
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By charliemccraney - 12 Years Ago
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NoShortcuts (10/12/2012)
Even today, at ~50 pounds a piece, they are likely worth more than $32.50 at the salvage yard.
$34.51ea at the local pullapart. I raise mine to $69.02.
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By bird55 - 12 Years Ago
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well…it's still pretty cool someone has these parts out there somewhere. I like see'n this stuff anyway. And I'm really glad I don't feel like i have to own it anymore!
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By MarkMontereyBay - 12 Years Ago
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I think Frank is on target with this. The early bird restoration market is and has been a different market that what takes place here. There is big money in the correct "concours/Pebble Beach" standard of restorations. Amos Minter in Dallas comes to mind. I think that outfit would be at least interested in those heads if they are what is claimed. With Supercharged 57 TBirds going often north of $150,000 original parts like these are not cheap.
http://c-it.com/aminter-tbirds/index1.html
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By John Mummert - 12 Years Ago
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About 8 years ago I heard of a set of F Code heads going for $5000.00.
What is a totally restored F Code anything worth at auction?
What would it sell for with -471 heads? I'll bet the sale price would go done way more than 5K for a non correct car.
People who go to auctions and buy $125,000-150,000 cars live in different world than we do.
For that kind of money I would expect the car to be correct.
But, who would have thought that posted G heads would be worth 300-400 a pair of a 57 4-Barrel intake would sell for 200 bucks?
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By NoShortcuts - 12 Years Ago
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John Mummert (10/12/2012)
What is a totally restored F Code worth at auction?
People who go to auctions and buy $125,000-150,000 cars live in different world than we do.
For that kind of money I would expect the car to be correct.
What would it sell for with -471 heads? I'll bet the sale price would go done way more than 5K for a non correct car.
Absolutely no argument with what John is saying regarding the value / sale price of a 'collector / investment vehicle' being SIGNIFICANTLY diminished by the substitution of any non-original part.
In scrutinizing any vehicle, the identification of any 'non-correct' parts or components brings the entire vehicle's authenticity / originality into question. The identification of anything incorrect makes the inspector immediately of the opinion, 'Well if this isn't correct, what else has been substituted that I haven't detected or can't see to look at?'
The ends that some 'restorers' have to go to when substituting parts goes to surprising creative lengths from what I have been told by some who are followers of muscle car offerings. I think that this is part of the reason that 'barn finds' are so popular. There's a better chance of getting the real deal, and, when you build it yourself or under your direction, you KNOW what you've got when you get done.
As I stated in another thread posting, there are a lot of beautiful looking T-'Birds in the NorthEast that are not structurally sound because of how the 'restoration' of the body structure has been incompletely executed.
As for a '57 'F' code Ford, 471 heads on the engine would likely kill any potential sale. 
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By pegleg - 12 Years Ago
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I dunno Charlie, my F code is a blatant fake, but I'll bet I can sell it. 471 heads, 292 block, repo blower bracket, and the wrong data plate. No I won't get 100 grand for it, but then again i can drive it and race it without jepordizing my chldrens inheiritance, I think.
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By NoShortcuts - 12 Years Ago
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I don't think we have opposing views, Frank. I'm about all that you're talking about! I'm no purist. I'm not into flawless restorations, trailer queens, Concourse judging, fear of getting a paint chip, or the like. IMO, I don't see all that as 'fun'. Some do... I respect their efforts, it's just not what I care to pursue.
I say, build 'em, and drive 'n enjoy 'em! Build 'em to be all that you want them to be for the purpose you desire to use them for. Me, I'm principally into street and highway use.
My data plates are original, but there is no effort to match what is under the hoods, behind the engines, or in the rear ends with the original 'build' sheets. All of my equipment is NOT FoMoCo produced... but, it is y-block based
My vehicles are my 'hobby'. I do as much as possible myself in putting them together. I do not consider my engines or vehicles 'investments' or portray them as that to my wife. I'm sure I'll have more in them money-wise than they'll bring at sale. In the mean time, I love the planning, the building, the tuning, and the ride.
How much will they bring when I'm gone... not much from a purist... but, perhaps a reasonable dollar from someone who appreciates the combinations I've assembled for their fun on the road, well sorted out performance and reliability, attention to detail, and the mechanical improvements over bone-stock originals.
This Forum has been a blessing in moving me along in accomplishing what I'm trying to do with y-blocks. The wealth of information shared here has saved me untold time, effort, trial-and-error, and money in catching-up on what I haven't been able to pursue while raising three kids and working full time. I'm indebted to all who unselfishly contribute their time, effort, knowledge, and experience to making this Forum what it is as a resource. In addition to new thread postings, the 'Search' function is phenomenal!
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By pegleg - 12 Years Ago
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Charlie, I don't mind the 100 point restored cars, In fact they're excellent reference points, or should be if not overdone. But the people who own them usually don't build or maintain them. Often have anal problems and are "better than you are." Like the cars, often dislike the owners. That normally doesn't apply to the builders, those guys are generally very knowledgeable and willing to share. The guys on this foruum typically don't worry about "matching ashtrays" or the wrong brand of brake shoes. Lot more fun this way! We probably do disagree on some things, for example I'm a Notre Dame and Colts fan, not sure that would work near Buffalo!
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By MarkMontereyBay - 12 Years Ago
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While spending the day starting a major clean up/reorganization of my garage and coming across some things I hadn't seen in many years, I thought about the asking price of the $5000 F heads. I remember way back on the Y block Discussion List when someone posted he bought an original complete Y Block Hilborn injection unit on EBay for about the same price. Frank probably remembers this. There were long threads of discussion and hand wringing, myself included, over the outrageous price paid. I go to the Pebble Beach Concours every few years just to marvel at the rareness and quality of the cars. But for the participants it is a completely different world where the owners are more like thoroughbred racehorse owners, with far too much money and playing in the high society "gentlemanly" game of one-upsmanship without a trace of grease under the fingernails. I doubt many of them could change a plug or pack a wheel bearing. They do provide an important service by keeping all these beautiful and historical pieces in original and top shape in the same manner as art collectors. I can't take the social aspect of it for too long though, the French Champagne, martini and rare cigar booths on the fairway grass instead of beer and hotdogs on asphalt or dirt leaves me cold.
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By pegleg - 12 Years Ago
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Mark, YES.
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By NoShortcuts - 12 Years Ago
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pegleg (10/13/2012)
Charlie, I don't mind the 100 point restored cars, In fact they're excellent reference points, or should be if not overdone. But the people who own them usually don't build or maintain them. Often have anal problems and are "better than you are." Like the cars, often dislike the owners. ...We probably do disagree on some things, for example I'm a Notre Dame and Colts fan, not sure that would work near Buffalo!
We'll have to dig further to find something to disagree about, Frank. I'm not into football! Besides, people like yourself have contributed too much to this Forum and my hobby for me to be able to get upset with you about much of anything!
I still appreciate the two aluminum thermostat housing I was able to obtain from you. -Truly nicely done castings, post production machining work, and the use of stainless steel tubing for the water by-pass outlet! The aluminum housings make much more sense to me to use in conjunction with my aluminum manifolds than the original cast iron! -Again, it doesn't have to be 'original' for me to prefer anything that will reduce the typical corrosion problem you get when you put dissimilar metals together!
The T-85 overdrive you've sold me will work nicely in the car I'm converting from automatic. I like the T-5 I'm putting in the other car, but I can't afford to do both that way!
Last point... Your 'F' code '57 will bring more money if ever sold than anything I'm putting together, just because the supercharger is so desirable and rare. Too, you've the the time sheets to prove that the set-up is not just eye candy!
Salute, Frank!
Regards,
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By brokengate - 12 Years Ago
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I appreciate the OP (Return Road) for bringing these parts here, but also know that if you Google y-block you are coming here first and rightly so. I don't have an interest in them but if I wanted/needed them would be delighted to know of the oppurtunity. If the OP is still hanging out I would really like to know what happens to them and what these heads are worth at todays value when sold, and for me I'd love to know the back story, these are obviously rare, where were they hiding. So hopefully RR you'll check back in.
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By return road - 12 Years Ago
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Hey Brokengate, I plan on letting you guys know what they sell for.... it was really difficult to find a value on these... also the back story is really great too and I will post monday or tuesday Thanks
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By pegleg - 12 Years Ago
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If you have the other parts from the car, they will also be valuable. I'm sure you've discerned that by now!!
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By return road - 12 Years Ago
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Ok broken gate heres the back story... an older gentleman had two t-birds (57 and 55) rusting away in his backyard (in north jersey) for years and years and wouldnt sell, a buddy of my late fathers was hot on the 57 bird and made a deal to sell the other (the 55) to my dad... if he could ever convince the man to sell ...a dozen years of persistence had no success ... the wife wanted them out also but he wouldnt budge, finally the gentleman passed away in the mid 90s and the phone rang at my dads buddys house " get em the hell out !!!" is all she said and a day later we were looking at a horrendous rusty hulk of a 55. I looked at my dad and told him he was nuts and should never try to work on a car like this and he said "its fine and its never been hit " and so in a month or so the work began. The first thing we did was pull the motor and all my dad said was " listen you... you put this away its a GOOD motor" i put it inside his nice dry warm basement and there it sat until a month ago... my father passed away in 2001.. and after a few years I finished the 55 (july 05 of mucsle mustangs and fast fords did an article on it " modern modded bird") meanwhile I started a family and my son is now 14 and told me hed like to build a model A sedan street rod... excited as all heck I ran down the basement and asked him if he wanted to power it with this cool thunderbird motor, "it was your granfathers and he said its a GOOD motor" is what I told him. He said "yep", so I brought it to my favorite engine builder for a freshening and quickly got a call from him and he said that some casting numbers were strange and I should look into them, most of the parts turned out to be 55 t-bird with a mixture of lincoln stuff BUT the heads were edb-d 57 heads... Oh boy Dear old dad was right that was a GOOD motor !! I shouldnt use the heads for this street rod project and they do belong on a f code ford... so thats why they are here. Im sure glad I listened to my dad... Thats the back story. I will let you know the selling price soon Thanks
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By charliemccraney - 12 Years Ago
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That's pretty cool. It's a good thing you were able to restore the '55. Those "gonna restore one day" cars out in the weather don't always fare too well.
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By The Master Cylinder - 12 Years Ago
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charliemccraney (10/16/2012)
Those "gonna restore one day" cars out in the weather don't always fare too well.
Isn't that the truth. There a picture thread on the H.A.M.B. that is 248 pages and climbing about that. Projects Sitting and Rotting.............picture thread
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By return road - 12 Years Ago
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Well broken gate.. as promised here's the "deal" the EDB-D heads sold for a total value of $ 4,000.00 almost all cash with good replacement heads ECZ-G and 4 barrel intake and some other small engine parts... thanks to all you guys for all your input ... cheers !!
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By brokengate - 12 Years Ago
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Good for you RR, I'm guessing that the recipient was happy with the deal also, and what a great start on that Y hot rod for the boy. Interesting story on the heads, kinda like someone put supercharger heads on the engine to pump it up, but in reality reduced compression by 10% or so. That said, your Dad was right that is a special engine, and with another build she'll spin again, thanks for the update.
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By Oldmics - 12 Years Ago
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Wonder who got them ??? Oldmics
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By return road - 12 Years Ago
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He was definately happy ... he said he reads on this blog too... but I think I will let him reveal himself if he wants ( I dont know his user name anyway) Thanks
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