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By Oldmics - 12 Years Ago
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Is a truck rear sump pan interchangeable with a T Bird pan ? I am under the impression that there are two different truck rear sump pans. If so what are the differences between truck pans and T Bird pans.Seems I"ve heard the baffle is different in the truck pan and also the drain plug is a different size.Possibly volume of oil? Who can tell me whats what? Thanks,Oldmics
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By bird55 - 12 Years Ago
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the tbird pan is unique to 55-57 birds and thinner in front depth to clear the front crossmember, I see them selling for in the range of 3-400 bucks! there's a big main difference for ya!
wish I had a picture handy to illustrate the two.
Also that might mean the the volume is more on the trucks but I could be wrong on that one.
I'm sure someone will set us straight here.
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By slumlord444 - 12 Years Ago
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The sump is in the same place on the truck pan but the contour is slightly differend as I recall. Seem to remember trying to use one on my Bird when the crank went through the side of the block where the pan bolts to the block and it would not work. I ended up welding a passanger car pan flange on to the Bird pan until I could come up with a good Bird pan. The truck pan would not clear the frame as I recall.
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By 314 - 12 Years Ago
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there are several truck pans.i have seen 4 but theres probley more.the heave trucks took an extra quart of oil .there was a special one for rams horn manifolds where the dipstick went into the base instead of the block.some early light trucks had a front sump pan but the baffels inside were different.
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By Ted - 12 Years Ago
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Here are pics of the three basic rear sump Y-Block oil pans. As 314 mentions, the HD truck pan holds an additional quart of oil. 
The top pan is the HD pan, the middle pan is the truck pickup pan, and the bottom pan is the Thunderbird pan.
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By Oldmics - 12 Years Ago
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So it appears that a truck pan (even the deep one) could be used in a T Bird frame.??? I am taking heed of the previous post about it not fitting in a T Bird frame. Any other experiences here? I would like to ultimatly know if I can use a truck pan in my T Bird frame. Oldmics P.S. What a great site  Those comparison pictures are really appreciated Ted. NEVERMIND-I SEE THE DEPTH DIFFERENCE IN THE FRONT OF THE PAN.LOOKS LIKE A TRUCK WILL NOT WORK IN A T BIRD FRAME 
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By Rono - 11 Years Ago
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Ted;
Thanks alot for the information and the link to the pictures. VERY helpful! For my application I guess I should try to use the Heavy Duty truck pan since it holds an additional quart of oil.
Rono
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By speedpro56 - 11 Years Ago
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Oldmics, I believe the truck pans are too thick (deep) where it goes over the tbird frame as mentioned earlier thus clearance would be an issue.
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By Jim - 11 Years Ago
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Love it Ted, a picture is worth a thousand words!
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By Genuinerod - 11 Years Ago
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They say, the fastest way to the brain is through the eyes, Ted is the master. Thanks Ted for all your time and effort.
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By Doug T - 11 Years Ago
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If you are tryin' to add volume to your T bird oil pan it pretty easy to add about 1" to the depth of sump. I have done this and will post a pic when I get to the computer where the pic resides. If you do it you will need to drop the right hand arm of the steering linkage so that the linkage will drop out of the way as the pan goes past it when the engine is inserted in the chassis. For me dropping the linkage is necessary whether installing with or without the trany.
As Gary says, the HD truck pan is closest to the T bird pan but to use one you would need to section something out of the front of the pan because there is not a lot of space between the x member and the front of the stock T bird pan. A Show T bird would loose points for sure with a modified HD truck pan, because it is not otherwise identical to the stock pan even if the welds are hidden, (but the engine wouldn't care!)
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By Red_John - 11 Years Ago
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Ted -- I believe I am going to have to modify the front of the rear sump oil pan to fit the 292 into my '55 pickup to clear the cross member on my new suspension. What is the minimum depth of the pan to clear the crank?
Thanks
John S
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By Ted - 11 Years Ago
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John. Minimum depth would be 1¼“. That should just barely clear for a 312 stroke with ECZ rods. Give yourself an extra ¼“ to be on the safe side.
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By 2721955meteor - 6 Years Ago
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my truck pan is the same as the centre picture from ted. it has the baffle shown in picture. it came from a f3 with tulip style exhaust with high mount fan front cover. dip stick centre of block.
will it fit in a bird,it did in my case but never had to remove the pan and that was25years ago.i do remember not having the water pump spacer or correct front damper. had to make gen mounts and mod pulleys .i do remember it was not easy putting a non bird engine in due to differences in the front,i did use a f1 front cover and mount(with ought high mount fan place
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By willys392 - 6 Years Ago
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here's some pictures of what I had to do to get the truck pan to fit with an aftermarket crossmember. It's a 292 using the stock motor mounts on a 56 F100 frame. The crossmember is from a Mustang II suspension.
 
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By Charles - 6 Years Ago
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Are you able to measure the lowest point of the middle section on the Truck pan ? I need it to be less than 6" deep so my Tie will not hit it. This will tell me weather I purchase one or not.
Thanks,
Charles
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By willys392 - 6 Years Ago
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If you are asking me, the deepest part of the truck pan isn't 6" deep, so I would say you would be alright. I added an inch and a half to my modified pan and it only measures 7".
Bill
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By charliemccraney - 6 Years Ago
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The center of the most common truck pan, the 5 quart pan is about 4". The deepest part is about 5 5/8"
The HD 6 quart pan is about 4 5/8" at the center and 6 3/8" at the deepest.
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