How to transport an engine?


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By jrw429 - 12 Years Ago
OK, so I really want to rebuild a 292. Mostly because I've never rebuilt an engine. And now I have a car to swap it in to once I'm done. I'm starting as a complete beginner. I've been reading every post on here for nearly a year now, I've read the "how to rebuild a y-block" book, and I've been waiting a long time to actually start a project like this. Of course, I'll probably have lots of questions, but I know there are a bunch of great people here to help.



I have what seems like a dumb question, but I've never seen an answer. I may have found an engine or five a couple hours east of me. But... how do I get it home? I have a 1970 Bronco - would it fit in the back? How easy would it be to load and unload? Could I safely transport it this way? Should I put a wooden pallet on the bed of the Bronco? Or maybe an old tire?



When shopping for an engine to rebuild, what should I look for? How do I get an initial check of the condition, before taking it home, tearing it down, and having the pre-rebuild tests done? What parts are especially important to get with the engine?



I know I'll need an engine hoist and an engine stand. Any recommendations there? I only have a tiny space left in my garage, but I've convinced myself it is enough for this.



I'm sure the veteran engine builders don't even think of this stuff any more. But just starting out, I'm not sure how to even get an engine home.



Thanks everyone!
By Grizzly - 12 Years Ago
Jim,

I had to pick up a 312 here a year or so back and as I usually work on motorcycles the thought of moving a 500 pound engine was a little daunting.

At work I utilize a crane truck to set up projects and demobilize. A crane truck is a flattop truck with a hyab crane which will pick up 3-6 tonne depending on the truck and crane installed.  If you have one of these guys operating in your area it is quick and easy.

I could not use a crane truck as where I live has carports and limited access to my garage area. So beyond the lifting range of one of these trucks. I checked with local hire companies and found a ute, which I could drive, and it had a crane with enough capacity and swivel.

I picked up the ute drove 20km to the trucking company which transported the engine and unloaded at home and returned the ute to the hire company in less than 4 hours. I didn't even break a sweat. 

You could mess around with tripods and chain blocks but this was quick and easy.

cheers

Warren

   

By Rono - 12 Years Ago
Jim;

I think it would be really hard to get an engine in and out of the back of a Bronco since there is a roof over the top. I think at a minimum you could use the Bronco to tow a small flatbed trailer and put the motor on that or borrow a pickup. When you get the engine home how do you plan to unload it? Sooner or later you will have to either rent or buy an engine hoist and to work on the engine you will have to mount it on an engine stand. I have a 5x8 utility trailer with a ramp that I have used in the past for transporting complete engines on an engine dolly (with casters) which works pretty well. I also use my pickup for transporting bare blocks, but you need the engine hoist to get the block out of the truck. So, good luck and happy wrenching!

Rono

By glrbird - 12 Years Ago
Jim

     I'm with Ron, the Bronco seems like a no go. U-haul rents small flat bed trailers pretty cheep.  If you buy a hoist, consider the ones that fold up, takes up less room in the garage and can be handy for a number of uses, ( lifting transmissions, rear ends, even bodys), I even used t to move a milling machine and lathe.  I have used furniture dollys to set engines on to roll them around the garage. You can make a 2X6 rectangle to fit the outside edge of the oil pan to set the engine on to transport it in a truck or trailer. Make sure to STRAP IT DOWN! You don't want 500 pounds rolling around if you have to stop suddenly

By Oldmics - 12 Years Ago
Well I"ll say the Bronco will work as long as you have a fold down tailgate.

It will be no picknic.

Ultimately you are going to need an engine hoist.A cheapie break down/collapsable style from Harbor Freight will get you started or borrow one.

Your going to need some upper area  clearance for the boom arm of the hoist to allow the engine to initially rest on the tailgate.Make sure the hoist chain is as short as possible to do the job.

Take some smooth plywood to cover your tailgate and the rear cargo area where the engine will ride.Put a cheapo tarp down over the plywood as you know its a dirty greasy item.

 Once you hoist the engine onto the tailgate-two guys should be able to push and slide the engine on the plywood and into the cargo area for the trip.

Do the reverse once you get it home.A hoist is absolutly necessary.Look on Craigslist for a cheapo used.

Oldmics

By charliemccraney - 12 Years Ago
We've loaded and unloaded engines from my friend's VW Vanagon many times, from flat fours, and in line fours, to big block v8s. I can't imagine that a bronco will be any more difficult. One thing to consider, though is will you have to bring the hoist along and is there enough room for the hoist and engine.



At least make sure the engine turns over. Engines which are seized can have any number of surprises. It's good if you can do a compression test and it's ideal if you can actually hear it run but if it simply turns over without any weird noises, it's probably a good candidate.



Get a folding stand and hoist. They usually cost a bit more but save a lot of space when folded.
By LordMrFord - 12 Years Ago
Last time I transported Y short Block in my '89 T-Bird's trunk with only minor damage.Smile
By Pete 55Tbird - 12 Years Ago
Jim

You asked about engine stands so for what its worth. I think you should only consider an engine stand with four wheels not the cheaper three wheel version. The Yblock engine will weigh closer to 600 lbs and when attached to the stand is unstable. You will need to rotate the engine on the stand to disassemble and then rebuild so do not try to save on this item. Engines are bulky, dirty and the exhaust manifolds are cast iron and easy to crack. When you check out the core engine you want to inspect it well. Anything missing will cost a lot more. Check that the oil pan will fit your cars crossmember, cars and trucks are different.

Before you start check what the total cost will be vs buying a running engine. Good luck Pete

By bird55 - 12 Years Ago
Any adjustable nylon webbing straps you can find to anchor down the engine when you transport you can will improve the chance of it sliding or rolling. IT HAPPENS ALOT!

Also when you get it out or home. You can have a temp wood cradle made for it with casters OR I bought those welded engine pair o' legs off of someone on EBAY. can't remember the name sorry. I added casters. Pretty handy for scooting it out the way, but not so much for working on. That's where your 4 wheeled engine stand comes in. And I always use my foldable engine hoist to do all the minor heavy lifting too. Handy for taking the heads off and saving your back. Sorry, I'm not 18 anymore! Wink



here's a pic of the stand


By MoonShadow - 12 Years Ago
Space to work is relevent. Back in the early 60's I rebuilt a Y-Block in the trunk of a 51 Pontiac convertable. It was December and we were at my friends dad's shop but with one bay he wouldn't let us inside. When our fingers got so cold we couldn't pick up tools we would go inside and warm up.
By Doug T - 12 Years Ago
Here are a few other ideas to add to the mix of moving an engine:

Take the heads off the engine.   This will remove about 150lbs in heads and manifolds.  It also gives you an excuse for a view of what your are getting. If you bring a puller then you can get the front cover off it also.  A bare block weighs ~220# a crank 55# and the rest of the internals maybe another 50#.  So that gets you down to about 300# or so. 

Attach the short block to a spreader bar IE a 2x4 and two or better yet 4 guys can lift it into the back of your Bronco. 

2 layers of cardboard will allow you to slide the engine easily.

Door framing in even somewhat flimsy garages is usually strong enough to carry an engine's weight.   A doubled 2x8 across an 8' door will carry an engine easily.  Drill a 1/2"+ hole from the inside out close to the top of the 2x8's for a 1/2" bolt.   Run a loop of chain from inside under the 2x8's to the outside and hook a chain hoist to that. Cheaper and much smaller than a roll around hoist if space is a problem. 

By glrbird - 12 Years Ago
Moonshadow

ahhh, youth.  I don't like to go outside if its below 50 these days!!!!!!!!!!

By MoonShadow - 12 Years Ago
I was 18 at the time and in Missouri so the cold was easier to take. I wouldn't do it again for flat rate! Chuck
By Joe 5bird7 - 12 Years Ago
I happen to have a 70 Bronco too, and I used it to move a couple 292 engines, but it's use was limited to pulling the jeep trailer where I had the engine.  I wouldn't put something that heavy right behind my seat.....can you imagine having to do an emergency stop and 500+ pounds of engine sliding forward???  I wouldn't chance it.  I'd use a trailer and since you're going to need an engine lift/cherry picker anyway, get it first to load and unload the engine.
By Ol Ford Guy - 12 Years Ago
I've used Stump's cradle, without the wheels attached.  You can lift the engine in and out with an engine hoist into a pickup truck, or ?  The enmgine will ride flat and not tip when strapped down.  The cradle is $38.00 plus freight.
By Ol Ford Guy - 12 Years Ago
That should be Stumpy's cradle, from Stumpys Fab Works.
By jrw429 - 12 Years Ago
I went to the Harbor Freight about an hour north of me this weekend. They had the 2-ton engine hoist on display. But they had none in stock. Apparently the store has NO control over what arrives, even to the point that they are only told what to expect a few days before that week's delivery. They have no ability to order anything, no ability to predict when would a particular product would be re-stocked, and they said it was not possible to order online and pickup at the store. Nonsense. So, any suggestions on where to look for a decent engine hoist?



The Stumpy's Fab Works engine cradles look nifty at a good price. I'm inquiring about that right now.



Seems like a rental pickup might be the way to go. $100-$125 for most of a day, Enterprise, Home Depot, U-Haul all similar prices.



Maybe I should get two engines, to make better use of the fixed cost of picking one up. Smile
By miker - 12 Years Ago
Got an email from Summit this morning, they've got a variety of engine stands on sale. Might take a look.
By Rono - 12 Years Ago
Another source for lifts and engine stands is Automotive Service Equipment. Here is their website; http://www.asedeals.com/?gclid=CN3Zpou76bECFQhN4AodnCcAqw

I bought a 4 post Bend Pak car lift from them and some smaller equipment too. Their engine stand, Model 471B, uses shorter legs in front which makes it easier to position the stand between the legs of the engine hoist when transferring the engine from the hoist to the stand. Just some little details I found out the hard way over the years.

Rono

By bird55 - 12 Years Ago
Check your local Craigslist. I see both items on there all the time. They really get in the way without regular use and people dump them.

I wouldn't recommend renting one for what you pay to own one.

That's weird about Harbor Freight, I'd keep checking there-seems like they would get a shipment of something that common.
By Missouri Mike - 12 Years Ago
    Don't disagree with anything that has been said.  In my experience (I have a two ton flatbed IH, more than one pickup, and access to a van) using a LOW trailer is the best. Easier to load and unload then a truck or Bronco, and I found the lower something is to the ground the less chance for an "aw S---!".  We like to set a motor on the oil pan in an old tire, but be sure to secure it to the trailer sides because it will move around or roll over.

If you obtain an engine hoist (as has been said get 4 wheels) you can often back the trailer up to your workspace and roll the hoist wheels under the trailer a pick the engine straight up and roll it inside.  Of course this only works on a hard surface.  Don't bother trying to roll it loaded across gravel or dirt,  won't work.  Try to make all your "pick ups" directly over the load.  Trying to pick up a heavy object by pulling the chain out to it and lifting the weight from an angle can have unhappy results.

Good Luck

Moonshadow- Having grown up in Missouri and not having a garage I am familiar with being the tool fetcher for my dad in the winter and sometimes with snow on the ground. It was there I learned so many of the magic words needed to work on any mechanical device.

I wish I were in Columbus

Best to all

Missouiri Mike

By slumlord444 - 12 Years Ago
Another vote for Stumpy's Engine Cradle. Great tool at great price. He is about 30 minutes from my house so I picked mine up from him. Nice guy. They are a side business for him. Can't stress enough how important it is to securely tie the engine down. Was driving my Pacifica last week about 20 miles an hour on a side street and had another car T-Bone it at full throtle coming out of a gas station. A pick up with and unsecured engine on the back would have gotten realy messy.
By jrw429 - 12 Years Ago
I bought two pair of Stumpy's engine stands. Great looking work, very good price. They'll work fine for holding an engine stable while transporting, and they can do service in the garage depending on what I get. Thanks all for the advice on tie-downs. I've got lots of info, now I just need to find a good engine or two and find some time to actually go out and get it home!
By pegleg - 12 Years Ago
Could somebody post a photo of one so we can see what it looks like?
By jrw429 - 12 Years Ago
I'm away for the weekend but I'll get some photos up when I return unless someone is quicker.
By Missouri Mike - 12 Years Ago
Slumlord-

Hope you weren't injured after being assaulted in your van.

Mike

By bird55 - 12 Years Ago
pegleg (9/2/2012)
Could somebody post a photo of one so we can see what it looks like?




Frank there is a pic of one I have in the earlier posts.

Just found this too, he has a website

By pegleg - 12 Years Ago
Thanks, that's neat.
By charliemccraney - 12 Years Ago
They work great. I have 4 pair, and they do support an entire engine and trans as pictured. Mine bent a little, due to the long time I've stored some engines. I notified stumpy about that and he has since added gussets to address that problem. It's not a big deal. I'll straighten them out and add gussets once I get the engines off of them.
By Ted - 12 Years Ago

Here’s the link to a picture of the engine cradle I use on completed engines.  They bolt to the heads and cover the exhaust ports further sealing up the engine.

Engine cradle picture