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By Missouri Mike - 12 Years Ago
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Hi Guys I haven't been watching closely and may have missed comments so if the subject has been previously discussed please direct me to that thread. My question is: Has there been any interest shown in the new engine block Verne Schumann has/or is developing??? I would have thought with all of the HP hungry Y blockers there would at least have been some talk. I know that to make this come to fruition he must have 25 commitments, if not... Just curious. Rain-Something us older people remember fondly, but are unsure if we will see again in our lifetime Best to all Missouri Mike
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By charliemccraney - 12 Years Ago
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http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Topic65514-5-1.aspx?
I'm definitely interested but I don't think it's the most logical next step. (Interesting how opinions change after some thought. Look at my first post in that thread.)
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By Don Woodruff - 12 Years Ago
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I am signed up for a block but we really need new crankshafts. I am on the 3rd or 4th one on my build. All ended up cracked. Sourcing a crank with strokes varying from stock to 4 1/8 may be a problem.
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By speedpro56 - 12 Years Ago
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Charlie Dover told me he was interested.
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By Daniel Jessup - 12 Years Ago
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I'm with Don on this one... Cranks are needed first. There are a bunch of 292's lying around which are easily made into 312's if one has a 312 crank. After I sold the one that I had 3 years ago, it took me almos as long to find another good one for my build... Cranks that are put to 292 main size with your option of stroke, or maybe just a stock 312 stroke crank with the 292 main size out of the box?
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By charliemccraney - 12 Years Ago
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I think cranks are needed more, too.
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By MoonShadow - 12 Years Ago
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Wasn't Ted having some cranks made for the racers? Chuck
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By charliemccraney - 12 Years Ago
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Yeah, but billet, big bucks.
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By PF Arcand - 12 Years Ago
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I agree with Don's comment re new cranks. Usable 312 crank assemblies are getting really hard to find. At least in part because idiots used up so many Mercs back in the 70s & 80s in Demolitian derbies. Even if new cranks were only supplied in standard sizing, they could be turned down to fit 292 blocks where needed, and offset ground for stroker kits. Core charges for cranks are now up to $450!
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By Y block Billy - 12 Years Ago
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Paying big bucks for a block you may as well go the extra mile and get a billet moldex crank as Ted uses, still cheap money compared to what I hear some people have in their scrub motors.
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By Missouri Mike - 12 Years Ago
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Hi guys Don't disagree that cranks are needed but I don't hear anything about "affordable" cranks being produced. I hear that we need them but then there is only silence and crickets. What we do have is an opportunity to latch on to a big ci Y block. I know this isn't for everyone but as I reread the post Charlie referenced, there were at least two or three folks that indicated they would jump on a new block ASAP. We may need/want new cranks first but we don't have a choice in the order aftermarket parts for the Y arrive. If/when we ever get cranks I'm going to guess a conservative minimum cost of over a $1000 per unit. I base that on what aftermarket flathead cranks run and they've been around awhile and it might be argued have a broader customer appeal than a Y crank. I would also hazard to say that the minimum number needed to make it financially feasible to produce new cranks would have to be pretty large. The preceeding paragraphs have been nothing but my personal opinion. I do not have the access to blocks that some apparently do I seem to be luckier at finding hen's teeth, so the chance to get a new block is appealing to me. Pricey?? Yeah but I recently sold a tractor so I'm momentarily flush. I do know for certain that it is now or never for this new block. If it doesn't happen now it will go away and be gone. Just ramblin' Mike
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By MoonShadow - 12 Years Ago
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Why couldn't a block be built that would accept a more available crankshaft and still be a Y-Block? Two birds with one stone? Chuck
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By charliemccraney - 12 Years Ago
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Because some other crank would present other issues which include but are not limited to the flywheel/starter, timing cover, damper, pulley alignment, timing gear. Suddenly an affordable aftermarket crank becomes rather expensive.
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By MoonShadow - 12 Years Ago
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Actually I was wondering about a later model after market crank that would accept the externals. Seems someone talked about 302 cranks working with some mods. Not sure and you know how my memory works. By the way Charlie did you see this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-F-100-Custom-Cab-1960-Ford-F-100-Beautiful-correct-low-mileage-292-V8-best-market-/160848944354?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2573581ce2 
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By LordMrFord - 12 Years Ago
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charliemccraney (7/20/2012)
Because some other crank would present other issues which include but are not limited to the flywheel/starter, timing cover, damper, pulley alignment, timing gear. Suddenly an affordable aftermarket crank becomes rather expensive. You can have more stroke in your crank if youre using aftermarket Weslake heads, cause lack of cam.
And no expensive new block.
12000RPM's from a big cube Y!
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By PF Arcand - 12 Years Ago
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Whether or not Schumann succeeds in casting new bigger blocks, cranks will still be needed. I don't recall his proposal specifying where the cranks would come from. I seem to recall that John Mummert commented on this situation, but he may have indicated that there was a problem with the ground work needed, being than pirated by someone & sent off shore.. However, I'm not sure on my (bad) memory there.
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By Ted - 12 Years Ago
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Verne Schumann needs additional verbal commitments on the new production Ford Y cylinder blocks. At this point he needs enough potential buyers to make this project viable as the current list of potential buyers is too short to make this happen. If you think you might be interested in a brand new 4.125” bore capable block, then give him a call and get your name on the list. No upfront money is required. His contact information is: Schumann’s Sales and Service
227 W Mayne St., Box 128
Blue Grass, Iowa 52776
Phone: 563 – 381 – 2416
Here are links to previous discussions regarding the blocks. http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic65514-5-1.aspx http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic73248-6-1.aspx http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic12901-11-1.aspx . Let me add “Let’s not get hung up on crankshafts" . . Those will come if the blocks happen. In the meantime, the proposed block can still use factory cranks as 292 main bearing sizing is being used in the new block design. |