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By 55Birdman - 12 Years Ago
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I listed some Y parts to sell/give away a few days ago. These are some of many parts I am going thru of my Dads stuff. Had a fellow by the name of Rono in Freeport Maine ask for the flywheel. I shiped it to him. He get the part and starts complaining about it . Including what it cost to ship it. That was all I wanted to recover. I am no mechanic and all he could do was complain about the flywheel. Now he doesnt want to pay for the shipping. I guess due to the experience with this I will throw away the rest of the parts. BE AWARE OF THIS WHEN YOU SELL PARTS TO RONO! MAYBE YOU SHOULD SELL/GIVE PARTS TO OTHER GUYS ON THIS SITE.
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By charliemccraney - 12 Years Ago
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If the flywheel is in fact bad, then it is not the fault of Rono. As the seller, it is your responsibility to asses the condition to the best of your abilities and educate yourself the best you can about the product you are selling. If the buyer has a valid argument, then the honorable thing to do is to issue a refund and take it as a learning experience.
A way to avoid this is to clean the parts and email good, clear, well lit, reasonably sized pictures before making the sale. Pictures can still hide things but they remove a lot of doubt.
If pictures are not an option (some people still refuse to get involve with this electronic world), you can admit to the buyer that you really don't know how or have the means necessary to determine the condition and offer to refund the cost of the part if he covers return shipping. This doesn't always work for both parties, but in the case of rare or hard to find stuff, people will usually agree to some similar compromise. No one can know everything about everything.
My advice, as a professional in that sort of business, if Rono's complaint is legitimate, refund the shipping as he requests, learn from it and move on.
Please don't throw the stuff away. This is a learning experience for you, nothing more.
...And, frankly, if you are going to throw it away, I'm glad to drive up and take it off of your hands. You can give it to Charlie's Salvage. 
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By The Master Cylinder - 12 Years Ago
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The way I understand it per 55Birdman's ad the flywheel (among other parts) was free to whoever wants it, just pay the shipping. Doesn't state in the ad the condition. I would hope they would have discussed the condition and the postage before it was sent. A flywheel can't be cheap to send.
I can see 55Birdman's point. All he wants is to have the shipping refunded.
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By Rono - 12 Years Ago
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Well, 55Birdman didn't waste any time bashing me about our transaction with his flywheel. When he first contacted me, he told me it was "Dirty". When it arrived this morning, I immediately e-mailed him and told him how badly pitted it was also and that he needs to describe the parts he is selling a little better. I told him that I was going to take it right down to a machine shop this morning (which I did) to see if it was salvageable. The shop told me that it probably would clean up, but may have pinholes in the surface. Not great, but I can live with it. On my way back home I mailed the full amount to Mr. 55Birdman and sent him an e-mail when I got back to the house. Not fast enough before he started bashing me and my reputation though. As I explained to Mr. 55Birdman, I have bought and sold hundreds of items on Ebay and have 100% positive feedback. I always pay what I owe, but I hve been burned in the past and was just being cautious. Mr. 55Birdman told me that he is not a mechanic and that he is just trying to sell some of his Dad's old stuff, but like The Master Cylinder says, you have to know what you are selling and don't sell junk that can't that can't be used. Rono
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By Talkwrench - 12 Years Ago
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Ok we have heard both sides , lets just leave it at that. 
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By PF Arcand - 12 Years Ago
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An unfortunate misunderstanding between parties.. but Birdman, please don't get frustrated & throw away 50+ yr old parts.
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By Glen Henderson - 12 Years Ago
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I agree with Paul, knowing your dad, he would not want that. My suggestion is have someone close to you come by and look at the parts that knows what the stuff is worth. I am pretty sure there is someone on this site that is close to you and would be happy to help you.
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By 55Birdman - 12 Years Ago
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These parts were my Dads. He had the 55 TBird. I am no mechanic . I wouldnt know a pit from a post hole . The flywheel was dirty to me. I dont know what to look for to know if its good or not. I thought I would be doing you guys a favor by offering these many parts for shipping only. And right out of the block people start bitching about what they got.Goes to show everybodys looking for something for nothing. Well, I threw all that stuff away. Some of the parts I would assume were or could be expensive. They were junk to me and thats what they will always be.I sent a Bellhousing to a Mummert fellow. I guess he will be groaning and moaning when he gets it as being the wrong part even though I sent him a picture of it. It was very dirty too. Guess that will make it useless. Sorry Mr. Mummert. Dad didnt know he was going to die and leave these pieces to me to dispose of. He should have known that and got them ready to give away. But he didnt. I will send you your money back if you want it. I am really shocked at what my dad said about this site and how great the members on it were and for me to come up against this right out of the blocks. Really makes me wonder what he was thinking.
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By pegleg - 12 Years Ago
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For what it's worth, I've sold a number of items to Ron. Always found him to be honest and forthcoming. I tend to think birdman probably did not realize the condition of the parts he sold. It should be a learning experience for him, I seriously doubt there was any intentional deception on either side.
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By 46yblock - 12 Years Ago
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55Birdman (4/27/2012)
These parts were my Dads. He had the 55 TBird. I am no mechanic . I wouldnt know a pit from a post hole . The flywheel was dirty to me. I dont know what to look for to know if its good or not. I thought I would be doing you guys a favor by offering these many parts for shipping only. And right out of the block people start bitching about what they got.Goes to show everybodys looking for something for nothing. Well, I threw all that stuff away. Some of the parts I would assume were or could be expensive. They were junk to me and thats what they will always be.I sent a Bellhousing to a Mummert fellow. I guess he will be groaning and moaning when he gets it as being the wrong part even though I sent him a picture of it. It was very dirty too. Guess that will make it useless. Sorry Mr. Mummert. Dad didnt know he was going to die and leave these pieces to me to dispose of. He should have known that and got them ready to give away. But he didnt. I will send you your money back if you want it. I am really shocked at what my dad said about this site and how great the members on it were and for me to come up against this right out of the blocks. Really makes me wonder what he was thinking. I have sold parts to Rono and he is one of the many fine upstanding y's guys. As for your less than thoughtful disposal of late father's estate items, wow  .
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By Rono - 12 Years Ago
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Thanks Guys...I appreciate your understanding and support. Rono
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By 55 GLASS TOP - 12 Years Ago
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How old are you "Birdman" cause you are kind of a snot nose. You come to this site for help then you insult people WAY out of line
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By Daniel Jessup - 12 Years Ago
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@ Birdman55 I happen to be the one that was contacting your dad and your mother when your dad was going through his bout with cancer. I am a preacher and pastor, and had made plans to visit your father on my next trip to NC. All of my relatives live either in Walkertown or Mt Airy... I do visit on occasion. From what I know of your father (his name was Earl, right?), he was a great man, and one to be respected. When you began posting here, you shared the same sentiments with us on this website. Please don't let something like this misunderstanding allow you to blow your top to your father's buddies on this site. If you're my age or younger, you know about all of the other forums and blogs that are out there that contain "user bashing" almost on a daily basis. Frankly, I get tired of that. This is a site where it is RARE to see that happen, if at all. Throwing away the things that connected your father to his life and his memories just ain't good sense, pardon my English. Come on, let's honor your father here. And no, I have no stake in any of your parts nor am I after making money off of your dad's belongings.  @ Ron Reminds me of what happened to me about 2 years ago when someone else began posting publicly a little too soon. The internet at times can be a place where the "gentleman's agreement" is forgotten and people post quickly per their emotions. The fella that posted quite a bit about me eventually deleted the thread after I contacted him privately to rectify any situation. Most of us know who you are on this site anyway and further know that your reputation has not been damaged. Maybe Birdman will lend an ear?
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By slumlord444 - 12 Years Ago
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Sometimes I have trouble understanding people. You get something basicly for free( cost of shipping) and then complain like you paid a lot of money for it. There is an old saying that some people would complain if you gave them a free funeral. Guess it still is true. When I die there is a lot of my stuff that my wife and kids will consder to be junk. My advice to everyone is to make sure your family knows what your "junk" is worth, and how to dispose of it to people will appreciate it. I, for one, would rather have my "junk" given to someone that would appreciate it rather than trash it. I would also hope that whoever they gave it to would not complain about the quality of free "junk". As I have gotten older I am in the habit of labeling my "junk" and puting a value on it so my family will have some idea of what is there and what it actualy is. None of us will get out of here alive so we may as well try to make things a little easier for those who have to clean up the mess that we leave. No matter how well we plan there will be somewhat of a mess.
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By MoonShadow - 12 Years Ago
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I'm quite sure "birdman" has had an eyefull. He is a younger fellow that ended up with his dad's collection of parts after he passed away. One of the key ingredients in this would be intent.
I am sure there was no intent to defraud or scam anyone. One suggestion is that situation like this be resolved via EMAIL or private message. Then when things are settled you don't have to read all of our comments. Take life a bit slower its not worth the hurry. ChuckActually now that this situation has been resolved perhaps the thread would be better served if deleted? Jim/Ted?
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By HT32BSX115 - 12 Years Ago
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Hi Y-guys......
Just a thought about buying and selling "stuff" to people you don't really know.
I have bought and sold a lot of stuff on Ebay, Craigslist etc. It's only stuff that I have laying around and I have never been in the business of selling ANYTHING. BUT I HATE TO THROW ANYTHING AWAY!
A few simple "rules" really help when you're selling anything.
1. TAKE at least 4 pictures. They MUST be IN FOCUS, different views and clear enough to identify the part and any problems it might have
2. Describe in detail every aspect of the part. ( including any problems.....leave nothing out)
3. Don't price it like it's "gold-plated"!!
4. If you're selling it and the buyer is paying the shipping, get it boxed, weighed and the shipping price before you try to sell it or even give it away so that you can give the recipient the shipping price BEFORE he/she makes a decision.
5. Always have a return policy. even if it will cost you.
I have never had anything come back. BUT if I sell something and the person is not happy with it, (because I am not in any sort of "bottom-line" business), I would probably just send them a refund if they weren't happy and tell them to keep it!!! So far it's never happened!
6. COMMUNICATE....... promptly! either by phone or email (or both) with a followup. Don't EVER leave anyone "hanging"!!
Cheers,
Rick
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By NoShortcuts - 12 Years Ago
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HT32BSX115 (5/1/2012)
Just some thoughts about buying and selling "stuff" to people you don't really know.
1. Take AT LEAST 4 pictures. They MUST be IN FOCUS, different views, and clear enough to identify the part and any problems it might have
2. Describe in detail every aspect of the part. (including any problems... leave nothing out)
3. Don't price it like it's 'gold-plated'!!
4. If you're selling it and the buyer is paying the shipping... get it boxed, weighed, and the shipping price before you try to sell it or even give it away! That way you can give the recipient the shipping price BEFORE he/she makes a decision.
5. Always have a return policy... even if it will cost you.
If I sell something and the person is not happy with it, (because I am not in any sort of "bottom-line" business), I would probably just send them a refund if they weren't happy and tell them to keep it!!!
6. COMMUNICATE....... promptly! either by phone or email (or both) with a followup. Don't EVER leave anyone 'hanging'!!
Rick, doing what you've suggested has got to avoid problems! No one wants to go through what has been related in this thread!
Regards,
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By Glen Henderson - 12 Years Ago
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Like someone said before, lets just delete this post and move on, this is not the HAMB.
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By Ted - 12 Years Ago
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Rather than delete the post, I’m simply locking it. Both parties have learned lessons over this and hopefully all is resolved. The biggest learning here is if there are disputes, then get with each other first to settle them before airing any dirty laundry to the world. Ted, YBF Moderator.
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