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By kidcourier - 12 Years Ago
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Well I guess ol' Vic has been blowing wind up our arses!!Went to the Temecula Rod Run out here in sunny SoCal and the Edelbrock trailer display was there so I asked the Rep where the hell the manifold was(after 3yrs. of B.S.).he replied that it was still in developement!!! I told him that John had brought aluminum heads for the Y-Block to the market in less time and were being cast at the Edelbrock foundry as we speak!He looks around and then does a slashing movement across his throat and says there're a dead item,that Vic didn't see a profit in them and pull the plug.All written mention of them will be removed and they'll let the interest wain.Apparently there's mor profit in Chevy 409's and Buick nailheads,I guess Ford didn't make enough Y-Blocks to make Vic a "profit!!!!!".I don't think I'll be buying Edelbrock s___(stuff) anymore,not that they make anything for Y-Blocks anyway(did I say Holley?). KID
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By charliemccraney - 12 Years Ago
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That's too bad if it's true. I really want one.
I don't really buy it. They clearly thought it was a good enough idea to make ONE so they could take a picture for their catalog - or it's an excellent computer rendering. If he didn't think it would be profitable, why bother spending the money to cast even ONE. It's much cheaper to get a picture of the old one and say "Hey, we're planning to make this again. What do you think?"
I do see more W motors than Ys but nailheads are probably more rare.
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By Ted - 12 Years Ago
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Let’s not try to knock Edelbrock too badly on this. While putting the three deuce intake in their catalogues without actually having them is misleading, I can recognize that someone in the back ground has come up with the conclusion that casting the manifold is cost prohibitive versus the anticipated sales. Unfortunately, there is a multitude of used 3X2 intakes for sale at any given time and that by itself is a new intake market killer. It was also passed on to me that the old molds were no longer compatible with the new casting processes and it would take a complete new mold to make the new manifold happen.
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By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago
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Ted (3/11/2012)
Let’s not try to knock Edelbrock too badly on this. While putting the three deuce intake in their catalogues without actually having them is misleading, I can recognize that someone in the back ground has come up with the conclusion that casting the manifold is cost prohibitive versus the anticipated sales. Unfortunately, there is a multitude of used 3X2 intakes for sale at any given time and that by itself is a new intake market killer. It was also passed on to me that the old molds were no longer compatible with the new casting processes and it would take a complete new mold to make the new manifold happen. Ted, as usual you make sense, and i have said before, soon as edelbrock 3x2 price was released and may well be too expensive for most then everyone would be hunting up old ones and edelbrock would have little return for their product outlay P.S its evident the world economy is certainly effecting the living standards of the average guy and very apparent here that a lot of members, with respect, are looking for low buck fix and purchases , so most probably would not be rushing into edelbrock manifolds if available. I know i have to think twice these days of what i can buy. Plus i like the original weathered look of the old intakes. I actually just sold a few things laying around i,m never going to use and 3x2 97 carbs, new weiand 430 6/71 blower intake, my hunting knives and gunbelts from my teenage days and this will let me put it to something i am going to use.
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By rick55 - 12 Years Ago
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Hey bill, with hunting knives and gun belts you should have plenty of money. Just remember to pull your head back at the bank before the shutters come down.
Seriously though, with the current price hikes - fuel $1.53/liter ( about $7.30 gallon Aussie dollar) and everything else you have to think twice.
Regards
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By John Mummert - 12 Years Ago
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I think that part of what happened was troubles with the re-popping of the Holley 94's. I think that initially Edelbrock wanted to re-pop a lot of old multicarb manifolds to help sell the new 94's. But there have been supply problems with the 94's so that made the manifolds less inviting.
I agree with Ted. There must be 1000's of old 3-2 intakes floating around. You don't have to wait long to find one on epay. Could Vic sell new ones for $400+?
I was told they scrapped all their old patterns and even if they did have them they would not work on their new automatic cope and drag machines. We are moving our intake production to Edelbrock with the demise of our previous foundry. It is requiring a complete re-do of our pattern but supply problems should be over when they get it converted. They can make 60-100 manifolds an hour. It took 10 months to get 100 out of the old foundry.
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By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago
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John Mummert (3/12/2012)
I think that part of what happened was troubles with the re-popping of the Holley 94's. I think that initially Edelbrock wanted to re-pop a lot of old multicarb manifolds to help sell the new 94's. But there have been supply problems with the 94's so that made the manifolds less inviting.
I agree with Ted. There must be 1000's of old 3-2 intakes floating around. You don't have to wait long to find one on epay. Could Vic sell new ones for $400+?
I was told they scrapped all their old patterns and even if they did have them they would not work on their new automatic cope and drag machines. We are moving our intake production to Edelbrock with the demise of our previous foundry. It is requiring a complete re-do of our pattern but supply problems should be over when they get it converted. They can make 60-100 manifolds an hour. It took 10 months to get 100 out of the old foundry.Yes john ,thats pretty much how i saw the edelbrock scenerio, i was only thinking about asking you what the supply situation with heads and intakes and you have given us a bit of an idea, coincidently a customer is heading over to you soon hoping to pickup a pr of heads and i made it clear for him to call you to avoid problems, i showed him my set and asked a few questions. Remaking parts is just a raft of frustration in todays scene, it was easier years ago with more simpler systems, slower but got done. Looking forward to the intakes.
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By yalincoln - 12 Years Ago
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if edelbrock is going to make your manifolds, how much work would it take to make a modification to your intake to accept 3 2300 holleys, like they are doing for the small block chevy's. no problem with carb demand and it would flow so much better. it would look kool also, probably sell better than a 50 yr. old design, set-up and tune easier also. OH, i forgot, it's for a y-block, GM won't let edelbrock make it?
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By John Mummert - 12 Years Ago
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yalincoln: The manifold they will cast for us is the single 4bbl intake, not a 3-2.
I talked to them today and it sounds like the other vintage multi-carb manifolds are still a go, only the Y-Block has been dropped. Who knows what they will do in future?
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By pegleg - 12 Years Ago
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John Mummert (3/13/2012)
I talked to them today and it sounds like the other vintage multi-carb manifolds are still a go, only the Y-Block has been dropped. Who knows what they will do in future?And that's a bad thing!!?
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By GREENBIRD56 - 12 Years Ago
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So John - when are you going to do the tri-power design? Ted's testing seemed to show there were some good designs to base it on and go from there.... Judging by the prices of what you see advertised on the net, the Y-block tri-power has more sales value than some of the other outfits I've come across. Which carbs do you base it on - the Mopar / Holley trips for the 340 TA 'Cuda? Could put an air cleaner on it like the 390 tri-power and Ford owners would love it.
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By PF Arcand - 12 Years Ago
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I suspect Edelbrock's thinking may be that the biggest market for Y-Block stuff is related to early T. Birds. And that area isn't likely to stimulate Tri Power sales. Most likely there would be underhood clearance problems anyway..
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By NoShortcuts - 12 Years Ago
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PF Arcand (3/15/2012)
I suspect Edelbrock's thinking may be that the biggest market for Y-Block stuff is related to early T. Birds. And that area isn't likely to stimulate Tri Power sales. Most likely there would be underhood clearance problems anyway..
Hi Paul,
I agree with you. IF Edelbrock was thinking that only the early 'Bird owners were the likely market for a 3x2 maniflold, the company would not sell many. There are many T-'Bird owners who are strictly 'purists'.
The original Edelbrock 3x2 manifolds, like the 573, will work under the 'Bird hoods using Strombergs, Holley 94s, or Ford EBUs with no problem.
IF Edelbrock redesigned the 3x2, they would have to stick fairly close to their original manifold dimensions. Regarding the earlier suggestion that John Mummert consider changing his single 4 bbl. manifold to mount 3 twos... I doubt that the carbs would clear the 'Bird hood. Even with John's single quad, I'm going to use his 'low-rise' offering for carburetor hood clearance purposes on my 'Bird.
Regards,
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By Riz - 12 Years Ago
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That is a bummer, but Ted is spot on, sunk costs plus anticipated sales if negative is literally a loss proposition. I was running a cheap offy until I could get a new intake. Now I guess I gotta start looking harder for an old one.
On a side note I guess that made sense as I stuck with original 94s than Vic's as his just looked too new. Just gonna make me stay old school. Good thing the ford swap meet is in Columbus in 3 weeks.
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By Grizzly - 12 Years Ago
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Mike, There are other classic two barrel carbs being produced. 97's are being produced with both English and Chinese versions available. If you pockets are deep and you are quick demon 98's are still available. On the up side it makes the manifolds that are out there more valuable so your offy is still worth something. I have a 553 that I should sell as I have found a reasonable 573 but I'm in Australia. If the trend toward vintage speed items continues and second hand prices continue to rise. Companies will step in to cash in on it. the triple duece manifolds that I'm seeing on epay are asking (ASKING) $400-600 there should be a market for a new manifold somewhere in that. Regards Warren
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By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago
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Grizzly (3/19/2012)
Mike, There are other classic two barrel carbs being produced. 97's are being produced with both English and Chinese versions available. If you pockets are deep and you are quick demon 98's are still available. On the up side it makes the manifolds that are out there more valuable so your offy is still worth something. I have a 553 that I should sell as I have found a reasonable 573 but I'm in Australia. If the trend toward vintage speed items continues and second hand prices continue to rise. Companies will step in to cash in on it. the triple duece manifolds that I'm seeing on epay are asking (ASKING) $400-600 there should be a market for a new manifold somewhere in that. Regards Warren Warren, i wouild be thiniking that is starting price but do they sell at that? but yes the prices are riseing but only the auction fever drives those prices up, i think the average guy only wants to pay up to 300.00? Time will tell.
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By charliemccraney - 12 Years Ago
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The way I see it is if John, the little guy, can produce a manifold for between 3 and 400, then Edelbrock, the big guy, should be able to as well. I'd actually expect Edelbrock to be able to do it for less since they have more resources and capabilities. Casting is a huge part of what they do.
But, since they aren't, there's no sense in what ifs so it's time to start looking for an old one. I was really looking forward to it. Glad to finally have a conclusion, though.
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By MoonShadow - 12 Years Ago
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Actuly the problem, beyond decent cores and good castings, is volume. Most of us cant afford to shell out for several hundred manifolds to get the price down to a workable level. Frank and John should be able to comment on this. Chuck
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By Riz - 12 Years Ago
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Warren,
I had my honeymoon for 3 weeks in Australia, we loved every minute. I even convinced her to go to the wallabies all blacks test match (i am a former hooker for the Army team)maybe I could convince my wife for a return trip to pick up the manifold. Doubt they would let it go in the carryon
On the original 94s they are a pain to get finally tuned in and definitely do not like high fuel pressure, but once i did they are pretty straight forward and easy to adjust- I am just not a big fan of the repops.
Best,
Mike
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By PF Arcand - 12 Years Ago
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Gents: John Mummert has stuck his neck out really far with his new Y-block parts..wanting him to stick it out further to do a Tri Power intake, just doesn't seem reasonable. There is a good used selection of Tri Power intakes available. And it seems that everyone interested here focuses on the Edelbrock 573, based on it's top H.P. rating, and #1 finish. However, when you study Ted's low end torque evaluation, there's room in some cases to reconsider. For instance in a heavy car or truck or a car with high gearing, & assuming that your not buying to primarily race it, the Edmonds DM 424-D came in first, and the 573 came in 5th. Also the Edmonds DM 425 has a bit more torque at the bottom, than the 573 & finished 2nd overall in both graphs..
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By Grizzly - 12 Years Ago
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Bill, It stuns me what prices some items are listed on ebay for. The local market is different to the US one, we have less available, but really. I paid $250 for my 573. I'll stick a few hundred bucks on the 553 and let ebay sort it out. Mike, I've heard some bad things about the carbs coming from china. Issues with the quality of the zinc I've heard. There's a Fenton 425 on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-62-FORD-Y-BLOCK-3X2-FENTON-DM-425-INTAKE-MANIFOLD-/170625069525?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27ba0bf1d5&vxp=mtr pricey though at $600. Good luck looking perseverance will find what your looking for. Cheers Warren
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By John Mummert - 12 Years Ago
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Sounds like Edelbrock will have the 94s in production again and along with the carbs is a renewed interest in the Y-Block 573 intake.
We'll see how it goes.
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By PF Arcand - 12 Years Ago
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Ted Eaton's tests of Tri Power intakes show the Edmonds/Fenton DM 425 to be a pretty good intake. It finished 2nd in both evaluations. It's down some on high end H.P. but is a bit stronger than the more popular Edelbrock 573 in low end torque. But the current e bay asking price of nearly $600 seems quite bit to high.
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By Riz - 12 Years Ago
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Yeah I have seen that same 425 listed for months and the guy has never had a nibble. Maybe just waiting for the one guy who can't live without it. I guess the key will just be waiting for one for the right price, but yes 600 is a little much for what I was thinking.
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