Street engine build


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By YRAG32 - 13 Years Ago
Hi guys i just thought i'd share this with you all, i'm putting together a Yblock for my 32

running twin 4's and a normal valley cover wont fit so i made this one out of S/S it's fixed to the block by M5 set screws around the perimeter, cheers oggie









By The Master Cylinder - 13 Years Ago
Looks good, Oggie...
By marvh - 13 Years Ago
Oggie:



You must be down under with that numbers stamping on the front of the block.

marv
By charliemccraney - 13 Years Ago
It looks like you're using a pair of mismatched heads. It's not a big deal, but you'll have to pull the threaded plug from the front of the head on the left in the picture, and you'll have to plug the rear hole on that same head.
By The Master Cylinder - 13 Years Ago
Oggie does things a bit different, being upside down and all... besides I see Mummert's heads in his future.
By YRAG32 - 13 Years Ago
Your right charlie they are both left hand but both ecg-d, i had to replace one, i've got all the stuff to rebuild them from john but i would love a set of his Alu heads.



Hey Dennis whats new?



cheers oggie





By The Master Cylinder - 13 Years Ago
Oggie, Nothing new here. Where did you get those valve covers with the Ford Oval on them? Something a little different than what we see here.
By YRAG32 - 13 Years Ago
Dennis they are THOMAS covers with the name milled out and badges pinned in, a common practice here in the old days, Eddie Thomas was a drag racer, machine shop/ parts manufacturer and all round good egg hes well into his 80's and still has input in to the company. He made 3x2 intakes as well, our friend Maurice (good captain) used to work for him, cheers oggie
By davis - 13 Years Ago
that Ford badge on the cover looks exactly like a door sill plate badge on my 67 mustang!



great looking dual-quad!
By easyissy - 13 Years Ago
That is a sweeeet set-upWow. I have something similar I'm working on.

By MarkMontereyBay - 13 Years Ago
Nice work on the valley cover. It should keep it sealed. I have one of Mummert's covers and have thought of adding some fasteners to it for the same reason. Here is a photo from today of my 312 in progress.







By YRAG32 - 13 Years Ago
Marv, I'm from Melbourne Aust thats a good eye you have. Mark thats a fine looking engine 3x2's and alu heads. Dennis can you tell me what your starter is again? After 3 times i might remember, sorry.
By The Master Cylinder - 13 Years Ago
YRAG32 (6/23/2011)
Dennis can you tell me what your starter is again? After 3 times i might remember, sorry.





Oggie, Are you asking about the Ford FE series (352, 390, etc.) starter I'm using with the Flat-o http://flat-o.com/carproducts/yblock.htmadapter for my C-4 or the mini-starter http://www.autoelec.com/ that I suggested to you to help for clearance for your steering box?



I don't believe the FE starter will bolt up to your bell housing? I think I remember you are using a 4 speed?







As for remembering, That's "Old Timers Disease"



Good hearing from you,
By YRAG32 - 13 Years Ago
Is there a hi torque starter that bolts straight up to my genuine bell housing?
By The Master Cylinder - 13 Years Ago
Oggie, here's one... http://www.autoelec.com/html/y_block_ford_gear_reduction_st.html. Looks like it may be rotated to help with clearance. Anybody else have this starter.



Don't know what shipping would be to Australia, tho.w00t



I'm assuming by Genuine Bell Housing your are referring to a Stock Ford Bell Housing.
By MarkMontereyBay - 13 Years Ago
I don't have one yet but ordered one for my Tbird a few minutes ago. I have similar starters on both my FE powered rides and they are great. They are "clockable" so you can rotate the mounting to allow for 8 different positions. The sound of the starter is much different, not like the older Ford unit but more like a the new Ford or Mopar. I asked about shipping to Australia and he said it is about 50 bucks. Says he has shipped to New Zealand and Australia frequently.
By charliemccraney - 13 Years Ago
I have one and it is great. It's worked flawlessly for probably 6 years now, maybe more. It's worth the price.
By aussiebill - 13 Years Ago
YRAG32 (6/24/2011)
Is there a hi torque starter that bolts straight up to my genuine bell housing?

Have you tried Con at CAE in victoria? 03 54721442. regards bill.Wink

By YRAG32 - 13 Years Ago
Thanks for that Dennis i'll email those guys Cool

Bill i'll be seeing Con tomorrow, i'll ask him if he's got em but i didn't want to remortgage my houseWink are you looking after my Offie stuff!!!!
By aussiebill - 13 Years Ago
YRAG32 (6/24/2011)
Thanks for that Dennis i'll email those guys Cool
Bill i'll be seeing Con tomorrow, i'll ask him if he's got em but i didn't want to remortgage my houseWink are you looking after my Offie stuff!!!!

yes, i dont think cons starter would be much dearer than US one plus freight and basically no warranty. Yes offy stuff is ok! trip to geelong nats was good, didnt catch up with everyone, time went so quick. regards bill.Smile

By YRAG32 - 13 Years Ago
Bill i saw Con today at the Ballarat swap, yep your right better to get one off him, Y-Blocks take the same starter as early FE fat blocks (so Con says) glad to hear my offie stuff is doing well!!Tongue
By YRAG32 - 13 Years Ago
Hi guys here's an update, a big thanks to John Mummert the heads are way cool and to my mate Norm who carried them in his luggage, now that i think about it those heads have been to Bonneville!



By YellowWing - 13 Years Ago
Lookin good! Mike
By aussiebill - 13 Years Ago
YRAG32 (6/26/2011)
Bill i saw Con today at the Ballarat swap, yep your right better to get one off him, Y-Blocks take the same starter as early FE fat blocks (so Con says) glad to hear my offie stuff is doing well!!Tongue

Glad you sorted starter advice, your engine is looking really good and will be vary satisfying when finished. regards bill.Smile Offy stuff ok. lol.

By Big6ft6 - 13 Years Ago
Wow!  That is beautiful.  I just hear Frank Sinatra saying "Some day" ....Smile   Some day, a long time from now, I might have something that gorgeous in my car!
By Jimz Bird - 13 Years Ago
"my mate Norm who carried them in his luggage"



That must have really had the airport TSA scratching their heads.Crazy
By grovedawg - 13 Years Ago
That motor is starting to look really cherry dude. Keep posting pics!
By YRAG32 - 13 Years Ago
Thank you all for your kind words, i'll keep you posted on the car. We just got back from a run up to Valla park were i saw this ultra nice Y-Block i saw the owner but he wouldn't talk to me!!







Oh well maybe next timeTongue
By aussiebill - 13 Years Ago
YRAG32 (10/5/2011)
Thank you all for your kind words, i'll keep you posted on the car. We just got back from a run up to Valla park were i saw this ultra nice Y-Block i saw the owner but he wouldn't talk to me!!



Oh well maybe next timeTongue

Ha,HA, i didnt see you did i?? The weather was woefull, what car were you in??Smile

By YRAG32 - 13 Years Ago
This one, we nipped up to Texas for lunch!



By YRAG32 - 13 Years Ago
With a bit of a, cut here, weld there, drill here this alternator bracket from a 73 Ford Capri fits in nicely the alternator is a jap ND 80 amp unit quite small and compact.







By Glen Henderson - 13 Years Ago
That bracket and alt looks nice, might be a market for them!
By The Master Cylinder - 13 Years Ago
Hey Oggie, It just gets better and better doesn't it? Nice job on the alternator bracket. Ever figure out your stater problem?



YRAG32 (10/31/2011)
With a bit of a, cut here, weld there, drill here this alternator bracket from a 73 Ford Capri fits in nicely the alternator is a jap ND 80 amp unit quite small and compact.







By YRAG32 - 13 Years Ago
Thanks for the kind words, Dennis 2 mates are over at SEMA and they got me a gear reduction starter from Moon, also a 12 point S/S engine bolt kit and head stud kit as well, hows things with you?
By The Master Cylinder - 13 Years Ago
Oggie, remember to use anti-sieze on S/S bolts in aluminum as a preventative measure so it doesn't gall and damage the threads.
By PF Arcand - 13 Years Ago
Can we assume that jap ND refers to Japanese Nippon Denso?
By YRAG32 - 12 Years Ago
Yep, you can see the part number in the photo. Sorry wrong photo the part number is RXA496.
By Glen Henderson - 12 Years Ago
That is one nice looking Y block!!
By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago
YRAG32 (1/16/2012)
Yep, you can see the part number in the photo. Sorry wrong photo the part number is RXA496.

What! no offy gear?? mate, looks pretty! Smile

By Glen Henderson - 12 Years Ago
Would love to see pic's of complete car! The only mistake I have seen so for, someone put the steering gear on the wrong side for some reason.
By JPotter57 - 12 Years Ago
Love those valve covers, man....beautiful. I assume they are no longer available? I saw where they were made by milling some fins out and adding the Ford plate, but those square shouldered covers, I've never seen any like that before.
By YRAG32 - 12 Years Ago
James would you like a set? I'm sure Aussie Bill would have a set spare, i know he's got my Offy stuff!!!!!!!
By ScottY - 12 Years Ago
Same alternator that i used too, though my info said was off a Daihatsu Charade, lol, guess they're the same ay?
By ScottY - 12 Years Ago
Sure is a great looking engine, seems a few are getting they're heads already, wonder where the hell mine are? Was one of the first on the list, hmmm? Phone call time again I guess, lol
By ScottY - 12 Years Ago
Dóh!!!! My mistake, just realised you said alt brkt, not alt, sheesh!
By mctim64 - 12 Years Ago
Great lookin' engine!  I'd love to see the car when it's all together.
By YRAG32 - 12 Years Ago
Here ya go Tim.



By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago
YRAG32 (1/25/2012)
Here ya go Tim.

Oggy, love the angle of the headers and great sides of the hood! Great looking car!! i,ve not seen the 4 link ends so close together before.SmileBigGrinTongue

By mctim64 - 12 Years Ago
Looks Good! Smile

la la

By grovedawg - 12 Years Ago
YRAG32 (1/25/2012)
Here ya go Tim.




That is a sexy roadster!
By YBLOCKMERC - 12 Years Ago
Very cool Hi-Boy. It's hard to believe you'll be covering up that gorgeous Y though.
By YRAG32 - 12 Years Ago
Thank you all for your kind words, the idea for the car is ''bare minimum'' on the out side but full detail under the hood, cheers oggie
By YRAG32 - 12 Years Ago
Can anyone give me a drawing or detailed advice on machining a stock flywheel? I'm using a after market hi torque starter so i'll tig the ring gear to the flywheel, but i want to lighten it up a bit. Thanks oggie
By YRAG32 - 12 Years Ago
What are the best spark plugs for the Mummert heads?
By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago
YRAG32 (2/3/2012)
Can anyone give me a drawing or detailed advice on machining a stock flywheel? I'm using a after market hi torque starter so i'll tig the ring gear to the flywheel, but i want to lighten it up a bit. Thanks oggie

Wayne, there may be many depending on peoples ideas, most of the lightened ones i,ve seen have just had the front machined off, most ive seen are from boats.Smile

By marvh - 12 Years Ago
YRAG32 (7/24/2012)
What are the best spark plugs for the Mummert heads?




I am running NGK BCPR6EIX-11 (this number I converted from the Champion number John listed with the heads info) along with MSD distributor, MSD box, Mummert heads and intake with fuel injection.



NGK's.... the higher the number the colder the plug.

marv
By Ted - 12 Years Ago

Here are the Autolite numbers I use for 14mm, ¾” reach sparkplug applications.  This includes the aluminum Mummert heads.

For compression ratios from 9.0:1-11.0:1, Autolite 3924.

For compression ratios from 11.0:1-13.5:1, Autolite 3923.

For compression ratios from 13.5:1-15:1, Autolite 3922.

 

On the Autolites, the higher the number, the hotter the plug.  As a general rule, U.S. made spark plugs get hotter as the number increases while offshore or foreign sparkplugs have cooler operating ranges as the number increases.

By YRAG32 - 12 Years Ago
Thank you all for the info, Bill the pistons arrived today thanks for your effort, your 292 slugs will be in the post asap, thanks oggie
By YRAG32 - 12 Years Ago
First run on the Dyno today 241 hp and 272 f/lbs @5000 rpm, engine guy said it sounded sweet! But plugs in 1&5 and 3&7 are dirty (sooty) while plugs 2&6 and 4&8 are fine! I'm using a stock Ford 2X4 intake with 500 edelbrocks, any clues? He thinks it maybe bad mixing cause there' no plenum chambers under the carbs. Hes sure the hp will increase after this is solved.

cheers oggie.
By Ted - 12 Years Ago
YRAG32 (12/19/2012)
First run on the Dyno today 241 hp and 272 f/lbs @5000 rpm, engine guy said it sounded sweet! But plugs in 1&5 and 3&7 are dirty (sooty) while plugs 2&6 and 4&8 are fine! I'm using a stock Ford 2X4 intake with 500 edelbrocks, any clues? He thinks it maybe bad mixing cause there' no plenum chambers under the carbs. Hes sure the hp will increase after this is solved.
cheers oggie.
On the Ford dual quad intake, 1, 3, 5, & 7 are the cylinders being supplied by the primary side of the forward facing carbs so I’m thinking this is a carb problem rather than an intake problem.  And because it’s primary side related, then the metering rods not being pulled down into the primary jets comes to mind.  The rods could be either stuck in the up position or there is inadequate vacuum to overcome the existing power valve springs to pull the rods down into the jets.  Checking the manifold vacuum with a gauge may help in the troubleshooting.  If the manifold vacuum is low, then using lighter tension power valve springs may be the ticket.  Beyond this, it may be as simple as the primary jetting needing adjusting.

 

A bit more information on the carbs might help.  Are they new or used?  If used, have the jets and/or metering rods been changed out previously?

By YRAG32 - 12 Years Ago
Ted thanks for the quick reply, the carbs are new but i got them a few years ago, i'll relay your message to the engine builder, cheers oggie
By YRAG32 - 12 Years Ago
Rod swapped some springs for lighter ones this helped 3&7 but 1&5 are still dirty.

This is No 5





and this is the new improved No 7





A general dyno shot.

By Ted - 12 Years Ago

Thanks for the engine picture.  Looks good.  I still think you have a problem with the front carb.  Do the power valve pistons work freely up and down?  I'm assuming at this point you've checked the base of the carb and the adapter itself for any vacuum leaks.  If all else fails, then I would swap the carbs so the front one is on the rear.  If the problem goes to cylinders 3 & 7, then you know it’s definitely the carb.

By yblock32 - 12 Years Ago
Here's a couple of dyno videos of that engine

http://s692.beta.photobucket.com/use...no005.mp4.html

http://s692.beta.photobucket.com/use...no004.mp4.html

By YRAG32 - 11 Years Ago
My apprentice hard at work.



By The Master Cylinder - 11 Years Ago
Oggie, Have you gotten your carbie problems straightened out? Certainly hope so... Lookin' Good.
By YRAG32 - 10 Years Ago


Finished at last! Go's great, pulls like a train! John your heads are fantastic!



Found some cool Yblock stuff while staying in Oklahoma, got this cool tach "cheap too"!

By OZYRAY - 10 Years Ago
Hey Oggie,   good to see you finally got it on the road!!!     Those old Y blocks sure are good in a hot rod arent they!
                      I,m in the process of building a new engine for my coupe and a heap of parts are on the way from John Mummert.. are you in the States at the moment?  Good to see another Y Block on the road,   Ray

By YRAG32 - 10 Years Ago
Thanks Ray, I'm sure you'll be happy with Johns stuff, did you order the heads? Your right about Y Blocks looking good in hot rods.
By aussiebill - 10 Years Ago
Oggy, did you get my recent email ? bill


By YRAG32 - 10 Years Ago
No I didn't Bill, where did you send it? While your there Bill, there's lots of your parts in my Y Block too, thanks!
By OZYRAY - 10 Years Ago
Oggie,  are you coming to the rod run at Lakes Entrance in June, should be good - Valley Rodders running it this time..Looking forward to seeing your roadster ... yep I,m on the list for the next batch of heads..
By aussiebill - 10 Years Ago
OGGY, sent it to your emai on here, i,m sure its not working. anychance of calling me later today ? or next. thanks. Car looks good !!!