Sanderson headers for 1956 ford and mercurys


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By speedpro56 - 13 Years Ago
Sanderson Headers said they would start making chassis headers for the 1956 ford and mercurys if someone in their area would loan them a car to get a pattern off of. Is there anyone out there who would be willing to do it? I would but I simply live to far away being I'm in asheville, N.C.

Their address and Phone # is  Sanderson Headers   517 Railroad ave.   S. San Francisco  Ca.  94080-3450  PH: 650-583 4590       ask for Jay the shop forman.                    

By MarkMontereyBay - 13 Years Ago
I am in the area and have dealt with Jay before with headers for my Tbird and 65 Galaxie FE. I don't know anyone with a 56 Ford/Merc but will ask around about it.
By speedpro56 - 13 Years Ago
That sounds great! looks like it can help alot of people looking for an upgrade in the exhaust area with 56 fords and mercs.  He said once they have a pattern worked out they can do different sizes with the runners 1 2/5 - 1 5/8s - 1 3/4th etc. That works out to more HP and headers that will look good as well. It would be nice to have a choice between shorties and longtube to choose from.
By speedpro56 - 13 Years Ago
oops!!! that first size should have been 1 1/2" runner. Fingers are not thinking rightTongue.
By Noob - 13 Years Ago
MarkMontereyBay (2/23/2011)
I am in the area and have dealt with Jay before with headers for my Tbird and 65 Galaxie FE. I don't know anyone with a 56 Ford/Merc but will ask around about it.

Mark, are you pleased w/the T-bird headers they made you... are they one-off's or did they make a pattern... were any chassie or equipment mods required... and lastly (sorry for so many Q's), did you consider/compare to the Sanderson's or the FPA's?

I'm close to writing the check, but am still on fence between the Sanderson's (performance report Ted did looks good, and they're cheaper) and the FPA's (more traditional and the plumbing appears less complicated).

Thanks for any reply... Brian

By Oldmics - 13 Years Ago
Brian

For T Bird applications

Before you let your pricing point make a decision about your headers,consider some of these thoughts.

None of the Sanderson headers are equal length whereas the FPA design is.

The Sanderson design is not firing order specific.I have an eMail into FPA about this and am waiting an answer to see if the FPA design is so.

Coatings are availiable on the FPA design-more money. w00t

I have not looked into anything other than the FPT 55-57 T Bird part.

The FPA product was not included in the test.I believe that only a few have this product on this Forum so unfortunatly it was not included in the testing.

Depending ENTIRELY upon what sort of engine you are building,the Sanderson units would be better than the stock factory exhaust.

The FPA units would be a better choice for a higher revving,more modified machine and I believe would show an improvement over the Sandersons in that area if price is not a real concern and preformance is.

I"m going with the FPA design for my T Bird.

Oldmics

By MarkMontereyBay - 13 Years Ago
Brian,



I haven't installed the Sanderson's on my 57 Bird yet. Ted used them for the exhaust header test he finished. I am waiting for a set of Mummert heads to arrive. I also need to work out the fitting of the the block steady-rests to them. The Sanderson's are made from a pattern and have been available for some time. FPA's are too expensive for my purposes. Sanderson is more affordable but you get what you pay for. The workmanship isn't as good as FPA.
By yalincoln - 13 Years Ago
does any one have pics. of the FPA headers, thanks.
By Oldmics - 13 Years Ago
Take a look at there website

http://www.fordpowertrain.com/FPAindex/Tbird1.htm

and also

http://www.fordpowertrain.com/FPAindex/headers2.htm

Oldmics

By yalincoln - 13 Years Ago
thanks oldmics, very nice looking headers. i'll bet they're price-ee. it would be nice to see how they fare against the others. probably be on a par with the maxton mile headers.
By MarkMontereyBay - 13 Years Ago
I just spoke with FPA. The Tbird headers come coated with steady rests, etc. for $895. He said they worked with John Mummert to develop them and were originally going to be sold by John but decided that FPA would sell them direct. Lead time is about 3-5 weeks as they are made to order. They go through the original holes in the frame, not below, using 2.5" exhaust.
By Oldmics - 13 Years Ago
Also are 3/8 flange using 16 gauge pipe.

$695.00 plain (not ceramic coated) and as mentioned above $895.00 coated.

$55.00 shipping

Still dont know if they are firing order specific or not

Oldmics

By charliemccraney - 13 Years Ago
I don't believe firing order specific applies to 4 into 1 headers. It is important with tri-y headers, which are 4 into 2 into 1, because you want to pair the cylinders so that those which share a tube are as close to 180 degrees apart in the firing order as possible.
By pegleg - 13 Years Ago
Charlie,

       In many cases they do. They try to fit the pipes so they enter the collector in a rotational sequence. The idea being to exhaust in a circular manner. I wonder if that's worth the trouble, other than a Marketing story.

By charliemccraney - 13 Years Ago
Well, in that case, the passenger side header seems to be but not the driver side. The #6 and 7 tubes will have to be swapped at one end to achieve that.
By Grizzly - 13 Years Ago
pegleg (2/24/2011)
Charlie,

       In many cases they do. They try to fit the pipes so they enter the collector in a rotational sequence. The idea being to exhaust in a circular manner. I wonder if that's worth the trouble, other than a Marketing story.

Pegleg,

I think the idea is to create a vortex. In fluid dynamics this is said to flow more effectively than a straight directional flow.

The question is which way is the correct swirl direction? The recognized southern hemisphere swirl direction or that other hemisphere.Wink

cheers

Warren

  

By Ted - 13 Years Ago

Charlie / Frank / Warren.  The 4 into 1 headers on my altered have what I call the ‘gattling gun’ collectors where the firing pulses into the collectors are rotational as being described.  When I was originally building the headers, I was torn between having one side firing clockwise and the other firing counter clockwise or both sides rotating the same direction.  I settled on a clockwise firing into both collectors (looking forward at the back of the vehicle) as it was opposite of the crankshaft rotation.  Hard to say if it helps at all but at the time it seemed to be the logical thing to do.  Being clockwise firing into the collectors, would these headers work better in Austrailia than in the northern hemisphere?

 

Here’s a picture of the headers.

 

By Ted - 13 Years Ago

As Wayne brings up, those FPA headers for the ‘Birds looks similar in design to the Maxton Mile headers that were just tested.  Since doing the exhaust tests, I’ve come across another set of headers that I’d like to see tested on the dyno mule before changing out the heads for some cylinder head testing that is forthcoming.  With that in mind, if there are any other headers that can be sent to me such as the Speedway or FPA headers, then I can run those at the same time.  I’ve got about a 3 week window before the cylinder head testing takes place which will permit some additional exhaust testing to take place with the same engine combination that was used in the ‘exhaust test to end all tests’.  If there are some of these headers laying loose or some other unique header design that’s different from what has already been tested and you’d like to loan them for a quick test, just give me a shout.  Contact info is at www.eatonbalancing.com   .

 

Another option, although remote, is FPA and/or Speedway donating or loaning headers to add to the test data already accumulated.  I’ve too much on my plate to pursue this but if someone else is willing to make the calls and explain the case, I’ll be happy to take calls from the manufacturers to discuss doing the testing along with the other headers that will be tested.  Just forewarn me if this indeed looks like it might happen.

 



Back to the main topic at hand and regarding the Sanderson headers for a mid-Fifties car chassis, I’d donate a frame with dummy engine and transmission setup along with a firewall for use as a jig to properly design a header for those cars.  Problem is I’m in Texas so cost wise it’s probably not feasible to get that moved to California.  Right now the frame I have in mind is a 1955 passenger car full frame with suspension but I could remove the back half of the frame so it’s shorter and easier to handle if necessary.  It would need to be trailered to get it there though.

 

If Sanderson could indeed do something regarding chassis headers, then I’d also be interested in a set for my ’55 Customline.  John Mummert has mentioned that he was aware of someone also working towards a chassis header for the cars but it wasn’t mentioned if this was Sanderson or someone else.

By miker - 13 Years Ago
For what it's worth, those FPA headers are made about 15 miles from where I work. Last I heard, he used the flanges from Stan's Exhaust in Auburn WA, about 2 miles from me. That's what I used for the headers on my '32 with the F code motor and Frank's (now John's) parts. John told me that when I asked about the headers for my 55 'bird. When the new heads go on, I'm going to use them. I may have to change the steering, as I have a cavalier R&P and an ididit column in the car. They have an excellent local reputation for Ford motors, especially with the race car guys, and Stan's flanges are first rate. Like all quality US parts, they're not cheap. Since I'm local, maybe I can get a set not coated (in case it's easier to modify them than the steering). I'll try to call tomorrow and see when they can ship. I wouldn't mind seeing a test if Ted can get to it. Stan's Exhaust will probably do the new header back system, and I'm thinking 2.25 or 2.5, depending on clearance under the car. Snowing outside Seattle, you'd think the world had ended if you saw the traffic not going to work.
By pegleg - 13 Years Ago
Mike.

    I still have the F code brackets, pulleys and bonnets. John has the timing cover and will probably wind up with the water pump. We haven't pushed it, the heads took priority. 

By Jim - 13 Years Ago
That is interesting that they are now willing to make headers for our passenger cars. I approached the gal that owned (and may still own) them very shortly after I put the website online and she flatly told me that they had no interest in making them for the mid 50's Full Size Fords. At that point I think that the site hadn't even hit 1,000 visits. As of one minute ago, we are at 399,968   visits, I guess that they have decided that we aren't going away. Before this day is over, we will pass 400,000 visits and that really is not an accurate number as many of you have bookmarks that send you directly to the forums which bypasses the home page and thus the counter does not know you entered the site.



I am glad to see that they have decided to build headers for us, I had a set of fenderwells from them but as my build progressed along, I decided that I wanted a bit more of a sleeper than could be had with those ceramic coated tubes in my wheel wells!



I hope that someone out on the left coast will come through for us!
By charliemccraney - 13 Years Ago
It looks like the tables are turning. I seem to remember reading in the not too distant past that Edelbrock had no interest in producing parts either. Now 3-2 intakes are available.
By MoonShadow - 13 Years Ago
The new interest is great but believe me we will pay for it! Parts are getting harder to find and prices are going up (at least asking price). People are trying to sell junk Y parts at premium prices. Unfortunately the newcomers don't know this and without guidance will buy that 54 type dizzy for top money. We don't have the depth of membership to have the items mass produced so they will remain limited runs. That is why the expense.



Don't get me wrong, I'm really glad the interest is there and looking forward to some of the new things coming down the line. I just wanted to point out that scoring that junkyard Y with all the good stuff is going to get harder very quickly. Look at the prices on EPAY for the small 4bbl manifolds now! And most of the sellers don't seem to know what the difference is. My 2 cents, Chuck in NH
By The Master Cylinder - 13 Years Ago
charliemccraney (2/25/2011)
It looks like the tables are turning. I seem to remember reading in the not too distant past that Edelbrock had no interest in producing parts either. Now 3-2 intakes are available.




The Edelbrock 3 deuce manifold is available? Didn't know it was out yet??
By charliemccraney - 13 Years Ago
They're in the catalog,  http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new/mc/manifolds/ford/flathead.shtml
By The Master Cylinder - 13 Years Ago
Cool, thanks. Wonder what the price is?
By MarkMontereyBay - 13 Years Ago
The Master Cylinder (2/26/2011)
Cool, thanks. Wonder what the price is?




I searched all of Edelbrock's retailers online yesterday again and they aren't listed on any of them. No price or info at all. I have doubts about the availability at this point.
By charliemccraney - 13 Years Ago
They haven't been in the Edelbrock catalog for long. I'm sure it will take a while to get into vendor catalogs. You can always call and ask.
By ecode ragtop - 13 Years Ago
I WAS AT A RACERS TRADE SHOW TODAY, AND THE EDELBROCK DISPLAY TRAILER WAS THERE. I TALKED TO THE REP. AND HE SAID THE MANIFOILD WAS NOT IN PRODUCTION AND DIDN'T KNOW WHEN IT WOULD BE. TOM
By The Master Cylinder - 13 Years Ago
Thanks Tom, knowing Jr's past reputation on Y-Blocks, I'd say he's out "PHISHING" to see how much interest (read $$$) they can make.
By MarkMontereyBay - 13 Years Ago
Regarding Sanderson needing a 55-56 Ford to use for making a pattern for headers, I have asked around my area, Santa Cruz, Ca and haven't come up with a car owner. I will keep my eye out but don't remember seeing one on the roads here for a long time.
By speedpro56 - 13 Years Ago
Some car club members in the area may have one if you know of someone who might be affilated with one. Thanks for trying because this is what it takes to get things done like this.
By Grizzly - 13 Years Ago
A chance to drag this post back into the light.

Has anyone taken thier 56 passenger to Sandersons or is anyone aware of someone who has.

It seems a good opportunity to add to the parts list.

Cheers and thanks

Warren

By Y block Billy - 13 Years Ago
I agree, if I was over there I would take mine in a heartbeat, but I am in Maine so its a bit of a drive for me to there, Like over 3000 miles.
By MarkMontereyBay - 13 Years Ago
I haven't come across anyone so far. The Goodguys Summer Get-Together is the first week of June in Pleasanton, Ca. This always has a large attendance and I will talk to any folks with 56 Fords that I see. There are usually about 2000 cars at the event.



http://www.good-guys.com/events/eventDetails.aspx?eventid=11-803
By PWH42 - 13 Years Ago
I may be wrong,but I believe John Mummert is working with Sandersons on the 56 headers.
By Y block Billy - 13 Years Ago
Thats good news if he is, maybe he will talk them into the 1 5/8 primaries which prove to work near the best intead of the 1.5 which they normally produce.
By John Mummert - 13 Years Ago
Paul (PWH42) was kind enough to loan us some clutch linkage to get the new headers done. Jerry Jardine is the one making them. Although he no longer owns Jardine Headers he is still making headers. He tells me what he came up with is a 1-5/8" primary tri-Y. I believe the next step is 2" but need to confirm that.

Should have some pics in the next couple days.

By speedpro56 - 13 Years Ago
I would be interested in 1 3/4 primaries with a 2 1/2 collectories, that's my 56 cents worth.BigGrin
By Y block Billy - 13 Years Ago
Any Ideas on pricing yet? My 312 cents!