Finally breaking in the cam FAQ


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By Apache - 15 Years Ago
I know this is horrible, but 7 months later, I'm finally able to break in the cam. It scares me bc

a.) I''ve never broken in a cam

b.) It's been sitting 6-7 months with new oil and engine lube



is this gonna be okay?



Also, any tips or checklist on what i should know before doing this on saturday?



292 y-block btw..



I'M FREAKING OUT!!! What if the motors crapped out, that's 3k down the tube.. IDK :-/
By Speedbump - 15 Years Ago
You're actually breaking in, sort of, the whole engine, but the cam is the MOST critical.  I used to try and use a high zinc content oil like Rotella or other diesel stuff but they are lower now also.  I now use regular automotive oil with a bottle of Comp break in additive.  Whatever your choice, use something for added zinc for break in.

Make sure the engine is primed properly.  After 7 months, you might do it again with a drill and priming tool.  I used to do it by spinning the engine w/o plugs until I got oil pressure, but I read a smart guy who didn't like spinning the engine before start up as it tended to wipe off the cam break in stuff we're so careful about putting on.  Made sense and now I use priming tools for all engines, but never lost one doing it the other way.?

It's nice to have a known good carb and have the timing static set pretty close so the engine can start and not labor or be pig rich in the beginning.  Also make sure you do what you can to remove the air bubble that happens when filling the block/radiator for starting.  Most 292's have a nifty heater plug behind the T stat you can take the hose off and bleed the air out until you get water.

Biggest rule for cam break in is keep the engine a 1500 to 2000 rpm on start up and monitor temp and oil pressure.  Most say 20 minutes or so.  I do two 15 minute runs with a cool down in the middle.  Good luck.  I still get butterflies when a start a new on on the stand.Smile

By Apache - 15 Years Ago
Speedbump (5/27/2010)
You're actually breaking in, sort of, the whole engine, but the cam is the MOST critical. I used to try and use a high zinc content oil like Rotella or other diesel stuff but they are lower now also. I now use regular automotive oil with a bottle of Comp break in additive. Whatever your choice, use something for added zinc for break in.



Make sure the engine is primed properly. After 7 months, you might do it again with a drill and priming tool. I used to do it by spinning the engine w/o plugs until I got oil pressure, but I read a smart guy who didn't like spinning the engine before start up as it tended to wipe off the cam break in stuff we're so careful about putting on. Made sense and now I use priming tools for all engines, but never lost one doing it the other way.?



It's nice to have a known good carb and have the timing static set pretty close so the engine can start and not labor or be pig rich in the beginning. Also make sure you do what you can to remove the air bubble that happens when filling the block/radiator for starting. Most 292's have a nifty heater plug behind the T stat you can take the hose off and bleed the air out until you get water.



Biggest rule for cam break in is keep the engine a 1500 to 2000 rpm on start up and monitor temp and oil pressure. Most say 20 minutes or so. I do two 15 minute runs with a cool down in the middle. Good luck. I still get butterflies when a start a new on on the stand.Smile




thanks. I actually primed it about 2 months ago, hoping to start it over my spring break...didn't work out :-/.... So do you guys think i should "reprime" it? And i'm using Rotella to break-it in, and vr-1 afterwards.
By DANIEL TINDER - 15 Years Ago
Wondering, if any variation from optimum valve lash would be beneficial for cam break-in? Like utilizing weaker valve springs, minimizing impact/load (jerk) on the cam/lifters until parts have mated and protective layer laid down, could possibly be advantageous?
By Apache - 15 Years Ago
this is the list i have right now



-fluids(oil/tranny)

-torqued properly

-fuel system

-distributor/timing

-oil primed

-ignition system

-water for radiator/fire

-fans

-alt wiring



smoke from manifold and blue smoke is okay, breaking in rings...watch temp, and leaks



What should my initial timing be, i forget?? 9*???
By Speedbump - 15 Years Ago
I'd add a jug of Comp break in stuff before you start.  I always try to err on the side of advance, considering there's no load.  I personally would shoot for 12 or so and don't see any problem.  I also hook up a mighty-vac to the vac advance so if the engine feels sluggish on start, I pump the handle a couple and get some more advance.  If it doesn't respond, just release it.
By John Mummert - 15 Years Ago
Watch for smoke out of the breather. A small amount is okay, normal blow by. Significant smoke means that oil is being burned, usually by the cam/lifters.

Have the exhaust system hooked up with mufflers. Its impossible to hear valve noise over open exhaust. Listen carefully to the valve noise. If it gets louder, shut it off. Check lash. If lash has changed more than .003 to .004" find out why. It will change some so don't panic if it isn't perfect. Make a note of which ones you had to adjust, run the engine for a few minutes and recheck them.

Its best to have checked actual valve lift at the retainer with valve lash before you start the engine so you can tell if it has changed.

Even if everything looks and sounds good I would check valve lash after your first run time. 

Don't assume everything is okay. If there is a problem, the sooner you notice it, the fewer parts you'll need to replace.

By Ted - 15 Years Ago
Apache (5/27/2010)
I know this is horrible, but 7 months later, I'm finally able to break in the cam. It scares me bc
a.) I''ve never broken in a cam
b.) It's been sitting 6-7 months with new oil and engine lube

is this gonna be okay?

Prelubing the engine via the oil pump does nothing for getting lubrication to the camshaft lobes and lifters.  The lobes and lifter faces are relying solely on what is put on them during the engine assembly itself.  If the engine has been assembled for awhile before attempting to start it, then the type of lube used on the camshaft is a player.  Some of the thick moly lubes are good for extended periods of time (12 months or more) while lower viscosity oils or assembly lubes will run off of the lobes while the engine is sitting and may be good for only 4-6 weeks at best.

 

Don’t want to alarm you but the camshaft and lifter breakin is the critical part of the startup.  Its not unusual for me to have to partially disassemble engines for customers that have been sitting for more than a year before dynoing them and simply relube the lifter faces before cranking these engines up.  The Y is obviously a bit more complicated with its mushroom tappets as pulling the intake and relubing the lifters isn’t done in this case as with most other engines.  If you have stock valve spring pressures, then risks of abnormal wear on the cam lobes / lifter faces during breakin are considerably lower.

 

Ditto on what John mentions about watching for abnormalities during the initial startup.  If something doesn’t look or sound right, simply shut off the engine and give it a thorough checkout before continuing.  It’s best to err on the side of caution than damage some parts needlessly.

By Ted - 15 Years Ago
DANIEL TINDER (5/27/2010)
Wondering, if any variation from optimum valve lash would be beneficial for cam break-in? Like utilizing weaker valve springs, minimizing impact/load (jerk) on the cam/lifters until parts have mated and protective layer laid down, could possibly be advantageous?

Low ratio rockers are beneficial in reducing ‘over the nose’ pressures during breakin.  Removing the inner springs on double or triple valve spring assemblies is also performed on some instances.  For most Y street engines and especially with stock valve spring pressures this can be considered overkill but it does give an additional safety margin if overly concerned.  Be forewarned that doing the low ratio rockers or removing inner valve springs is no guarantee against lobe/tappet failures as faulty materials or heat treat may only show up when full pressures are put against the parts.

 

Varying the lash more than just a little bit beyond what’s recommended can do more harm than good in many instances so unless you know exactly what the lobe profile looks like on the opening ramp, it’s best to stick with the manufacturers recommendation at least during breakin.

By Noob - 15 Years Ago
Ted, I understand your point about the priming the pump wont lube the lobes, but it makes me wonder approximately how long after start-up does it take for splash and drip to make its way to the lobes and lifters... and is that too long to prevent harmful or lasting wear during break-in?

Different motor/config I know, but I have a 223 for my `55 F100 been sitting rebuilt (moly ass'y lube) for almost two years now, and I'm haunted a little about first fire without a partial re-rebuild to lube.

Brian

By Hoosier Hurricane - 15 Years Ago
Brian:

By the time you see oil pressure on the gauge (or the idiot light goes out) the crank assembly will have splashed as much oil on the cam/lifters as they will ever see.

By DANIEL TINDER - 15 Years Ago
Ted (5/28/2010) Varying the lash more than just a little bit beyond what’s recommended can do more harm than good in many instances so unless you know exactly what the lobe profile looks like on the opening ramp, it’s best to stick with the manufacturers recommendation at least during break-in.


I see. While increased lash would reduce total lift, thereby reducing open spring pressure and surface stress on cam/lifter, it would also speed up opening (jerk) and increase impact on the ramp. Compromise between either extreme seems indicated.