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By DANIEL TINDER - 14 Years Ago
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The bad press BP has been getting lately has me thinking about why they refuse to join the Top Tier group of gasoline brands that certify the amount of fuel injector cleaner in their product (they likely include it anyway?). But, I'm also wondering if the F.I. solvents needed for modern cars are possibly corrosive (along with alcohol) to the viton, etc. carb. components that keep failing? Anyone familiar with the chemistry?
Is it better to favor T.T gas and keep the internal carb. passages clean, or avoid it hoping to prolong the life of rubber parts?
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By yehaabill - 14 Years Ago
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Y-Guy Daniel: I work on a lot of small engines and the ethanol is killing everything. I believe if you use the vehicle, on a regular basis, you're proabably ok.(Obama and his greenie buddies are trying to add up to 20/25%) I judged a local "skills" competition a few weeks ago and Husqvarna, Gravely, and John Deere, all had reps there, and ALL of them said carb sales had increased several hundred percent, over the last year!!!! There are several new products, out there, to deal with it.(StarTron-New Stabil) Bill
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By Bob's 55 - 14 Years Ago
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yehaabill (5/12/2010)
Y-Guy Daniel: I work on a lot of small engines and the ethanol
is killing everything. I believe if you use the vehicle, on a
regular basis, you're proabably ok.(Obama and his greenie
buddies are trying to add up to 20/25%)
I judged a local "skills" competition a few weeks ago
and Husqvarna, Gravely, and John Deere, all had reps there,
and ALL of them said carb sales had increased several hundred
percent, over the last year!!!!
There are several new products, out there, to deal
with it.(StarTron-New Stabil)
Bill
Well, gee wiz there Bill, maybe it is time we started thinking of our Grandchildren and future generations instead of worrying about some chainsaw "reps" having to sell more carbs (but I doubt they are not complaining to much (more $$$ in their pockets) or doing anything about it. Can't comment on your statement about Obama, but Ethanol was around before he was and so were the problems that he inherited from the last administration...
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By sundance241 - 14 Years Ago
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Bill , You had better be careful what you say , or an Obama fan might report you to Washington D.C. ...I think you brought up a good question on the gasoline we use today , and what to add to make it last in usable condition in the tank ..I am haveing to order a new gas tank because the gas has ruined my gas tank on the 56 .................Sam...................................Florida
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By yehaabill - 14 Years Ago
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Y-guys: This is not a place for political thoughts, and I'll try not to let my thoughts interfere with the reasons for this forum. I'm just glad I live in the USA and can voice my idea's openly. Bill
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By Daniel Jessup - 14 Years Ago
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With the changes that have come to fuel regulations, ethanol "quota's", and all...wasn't a lot of that kind of thing birthed years ago with the move to unleaded gasoline? I'll have to admit, I am still pretty young compared to most on this site...the move to unleaded started before I was born. Most of the changes in laws that are supposed to affect the current emissions requirements have a trickle down effect to discouraging us from keeping our vehicles on the road. Most of the time our hobby is not considered, and unfortunately Big Brother doesn't usually consider all of the jobs/industry/income behind it. Check the major hot rod mags and the ranting and raving from the editors about the state of California lately. Even the registration and titleing of cars has gotten pretty ridiculous evidently. Hate to be a pessimist, but in a few generations (after we are dead and gone) there may be a push to get all of our old "carbon cars" off the roads and into museums. But then, within a few generations all of that may be a moot point. How many of our own great grandchildren and their children will want to run these cars and do what we do with our spare time? I would hope quite a few...but who knows? Take a look at the "green" cars and vehicles that are being pushed at the moment. These types of cars, or at least their concepts, are gaining momentum. Our gasoline will continue to change I am afraid. Hopefully we can see it happen slowly with a lot of red tape. About the comment concerning our grandchildren and children, the government, whether Bush or Obama, should have thought about our offsprings' future a long time ago when we started throwing around all of this borrowed money again. The current administration continues to pile it on with extended bailout and government sponsored healthcare. Our offspring will be paying for a long time to come no matter what. About Daniel Tinder's original post, I always use an Octane/stabilizing supplement in my Y blocks, even after purchasing the 92 or 93 octane fuels. They seem to run fine, and the internals look good, but then I haven't really had them running long enough to gauge any differences on seals, carbs, gas tanks, etc. Hopefully as the gasoline continues to change, entrepreneurs and companies out there will come up with even more solutions and additives to offset. I would think that the industry is still quite large enough to support manufacture of some type of product. Hard to talk about the issue of the fuel problem without mentioning anything about the government....
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By charliemccraney - 14 Years Ago
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I think ethanol will be great once its conveniently available. Pure ethanol is around 113 octane. It's alcohol so it will require some tuning and rubber seal replacements but once the vehicle is set up to run on it, it will be quite fun. And if it does actually burn cleaner, then it will be win win.
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 14 Years Ago
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There is still the mileage issue with alcohol. My farm representative told me about a friend of his with a then-new pickup truck with all the bells and whistles, and E85 compatable. There wasn't any local E85 sources, so he was using E10 and getting 15 mpg. He was in Indianapolis one day and found E85. He filled it up, and got 9 mpg on that tankful. Back to E10, back to 15 mpg.
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By Bob's 55 - 14 Years Ago
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My comment on “Our Grandchildren and Future generations” was referring to gasoline and ethanol, not the bail outs.
I agree with Bill though, “This is not a place for political thoughts”
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By Daniel Jessup - 14 Years Ago
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Bob, if you look at your post, the Grandchildren and children statement is followed by a sentence with the $$$ directly under it. Maybe it was just the way it looked to me when I first read it. I fully understand that the comment was about the ethanol situation. The thought process for my comment was ... if the government is so concerned about the ethanol/gasoline possibilities for ultimately cleaner air for our offspring, what about the debt we have put ourselves in to carry on with what the government wants us to do? While I fully agree this is not a political comment forum, we cannot have our heads in the sand on any of the issues that affect what we do with our cars, emissions, ethanol, gasoline, etc. The more we bow to Big Brother by not voting, not voicing our opinion, not getting involved, etc, the more we open ourselves up to groups who think in the minority about the day to day issues that we Y block owners face. No problem bob, and thanks bill... I am the worst at being politically correct, call it a character trait...
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By charliemccraney - 14 Years Ago
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Hoosier Hurricane (5/14/2010)
There is still the mileage issue with alcohol. My farm representative told me about a friend of his with a then-new pickup truck with all the bells and whistles, and E85 compatable. There wasn't any local E85 sources, so he was using E10 and getting 15 mpg. He was in Indianapolis one day and found E85. He filled it up, and got 9 mpg on that tankful. Back to E10, back to 15 mpg.
I wasn't really thinking of fuel efficiency. But there is a problem I see with the vehicles capable of running both fuels. If it runs on gasoline, it will have to have compression that is lower than ideal for the E85; it can't provide the best of both worlds. And there may be other things that need to be changed since I am not familiar with the differences between an alcohol engine and a gasoline engine. I wonder how the efficiency is affected if the engine is built with the intent of only using E85.
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By Bob's 55 - 14 Years Ago
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One of the reasons when using ethanol you gets less MPG than gasoline is that ethanol only has ~ 2/3 the BTU rating of gasoline, meaning you would have to burn more ethanol to make the same HP as when using gasoline. In other words, ethanol is not a very efficient fuel compared to gasoline.
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By Y block Billy - 14 Years Ago
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Avgas is very efficient and they cannot change the components because they cannot afford to have planes falling from the sky. I have a buddy that sells only avgas from his filling station for hot rods and also have a couple small local airports near me where I can get it for under $4.00 na gallon. then there are the airports that paint planes, they have to remove all the fuel for safety reasons and cannot put it back in the planes. I buy 55 gallon drums from them for $100.00 thats less than $2.00 a gallon. matter of fact I am going to visit the local airport that paints planes as soon as i get home and stock up. its over 100 octane, last forever, and is leaded. I think more people should go their local airports and make friends. especially the ones that do repairs on airplanes and have to remove the fuel and cannot put it back in by law.
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By aussiebill - 14 Years Ago
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Y block Billy (6/29/2010)
Avgas is very efficient and they cannot change the components because they cannot afford to have planes falling from the sky. I have a buddy that sells only avgas from his filling station for hot rods and also have a couple small local airports near me where I can get it for under $4.00 na gallon. then there are the airports that paint planes, they have to remove all the fuel for safety reasons and cannot put it back in the planes. I buy 55 gallon drums from them for $100.00 thats less than $2.00 a gallon. matter of fact I am going to visit the local airport that paints planes as soon as i get home and stock up. its over 100 octane, last forever, and is leaded. I think more people should go their local airports and make friends. especially the ones that do repairs on airplanes and have to remove the fuel and cannot put it back in by law. Good if you can get it so easily, but didnt think avgas kept forever, when we raced we never used old drums of it?? only fresh or very recent supplies of it.
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By Y block Billy - 14 Years Ago
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Well maybe forever was the wrong word (Nothing last forever) but it has to last a good long time, most people I know with airplanes only use them rarely and I never hear of the gas going bad.
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By Hollow Head - 14 Years Ago
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E85 things... http://raceone85.com/ http://iqlearningsystems.com/ethanol/racers.html http://www.e85mustangs.com/ http://www.brightmare.net/ Actually we are going to switch to E85 with our dragster. Not this summer, but for the next season maybe...  More boost, more power 
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By PF Arcand - 14 Years Ago
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There are apparently maintenance problems with the present amount of ethanol in fuel. Further,any ideas that it will be the primary fuel of the future, are environmentalists & or politicians pipe dreams. A couple of sober articles I've read, including one in Car & Driver, have convinced me it is an impracticable solution to replacing the current system.
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By 46yblock - 14 Years Ago
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I used to commute 75 miles round trip with a little Chevy sprint 1000cc 3 cylinder (solid lifters and carbureted  ). Checked mileage very often. With 100 percent gas it was 50 mpg. With E10 it was 45. Currently on hand are a chainsaw, blower, and weedeater with carburetor problems due to ETOH. Cost to me to have them repaired is about 50.00 ea., and I dont have time to deal with them myself. ETOH is junk, unless it is in a Jack Daniels bottle. Next we will be forced to buy H20-10.
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