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By lovefordgalaxie - 14 Years Ago
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Interesting site about the Y-Blocks made in Argentina.
I don't understand much of spanish, but looks really interesting.
http://www.fordv8argentina.com.ar/diferenciasentref1f2.htm
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By MarkMontereyBay - 14 Years Ago
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If you cut and paste the website link you provided into the Google Search Engine and wait for the page to load, there is a "translate" icon on the upper right tool bar which will translate it to English. Some errors of course but good enough to read through.
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By ford1940deluxe - 14 Years Ago
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hi!!! this is my page!!! am George Nuviola from argentina, the google translation don´t work whit our lenguage, we talk a more complex spanish, very very different to rest of latin america.
ford argentina call the engines fhase 1 for the 292 like the original from EEUU and fhase 2 for the new modification since 1972 to 1992. In brazil the 292 was manufacturing to 1980 but they engine was not modified, they are bulid the same engine from EEUU.
for ford motor argentina is more cheap build a 292 whit changes similar to a small block 289.
http://fordv8argentina.com.ar/diferenciasentref1f2.htm
if you want a translation tell me.
some pictures
of course the order camshaft change.
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By Ted - 14 Years Ago
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George. Thanks for posting. Great stuff.
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By pegleg - 14 Years Ago
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Are the blocks the same?
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By MarkMontereyBay - 14 Years Ago
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It has been a decade or so since there was some discussion on the early Y block List Serve. If I remember correctly, and that is a subject of note, there is a difference in head bolt patterns for the Phase II non-stacked intake port heads. I can't tell from the photos posted here.
Mark
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By aussiebill - 14 Years Ago
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MarkMontereyBay (4/13/2010)
It has been a decade or so since there was some discussion on the early Y block List Serve. If I remember correctly, and that is a subject of note, there is a difference in head bolt patterns for the Phase II non-stacked intake port heads. I can't tell from the photos posted here.
MarkMark, i dont believe the cyl head bolt pattern is different between these heads or the weslake type.
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By MarkMontereyBay - 14 Years Ago
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Yep...I am not sure about it as I haven't seen either head. But in my foggy memory I remember a yblocker who located a set of Phase II heads in either Brazil or Argentina and brought them to the US. I think thread ended when he said the two outer headbolts didn't line up on his US yblock. Something about a pattern closer to the 302 SBF. But I did some searching on Google and came up with nothing.
Mark
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By ford1940deluxe - 14 Years Ago
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the blocks, crank, connecting rods its a same in phase 2 or 1, the bolts mantain de orginal position for all blocks
a pahse II
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By aussiebill - 14 Years Ago
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Notice the oil filler cap and PCV provision in the valve covers, great!!
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By aussiebill - 14 Years Ago
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aussiebill (4/25/2010)
Notice the oil filler cap and PCV provision in the valve covers, great!!On thinking about it, the phase 11 heads are very similar to lincoln style truck engines, with port layout and intake style, only smaller. just a thought!.
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By MarkMontereyBay - 14 Years Ago
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My original interest in these cylinder heads stemmed from finding an economical way to fabricate an EFI Multiport system for the Y Block using cheap and plentiful components from late 80's to mid 90's Fords. Ten years or so ago adapting EFI was a popular thing to do with vintage engines. From flatheads to Mopar Hemis to early Olds and Buick V8's. The major obstacle for the Y Block is the stacked intake ports and mounting injectors on the intake runners. The Weslake style heads solve that problem with side by side intake ports. Problem is the heads aren't available in the U.S. If these heads will bolt to an existing Y Block my next question would be about aftermarket aluminum four barrel manifolds or other configurations ever being produced for these engines? Was there a speed equipment market for these engines at one time? Are the cast iron versions of the head still found in wrecking yards outside the U.S.?
Mark
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By aussiebill - 14 Years Ago
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MarkMontereyBay (4/25/2010)
My original interest in these cylinder heads stemmed from finding an economical way to fabricate an EFI Multiport system for the Y Block using cheap and plentiful components from late 80's to mid 90's Fords. Ten years or so ago adapting EFI was a popular thing to do with vintage engines. From flatheads to Mopar Hemis to early Olds and Buick V8's. The major obstacle for the Y Block is the stacked intake ports and mounting injectors on the intake runners. The Weslake style heads solve that problem with side by side intake ports. Problem is the heads aren't available in the U.S. If these heads will bolt to an existing Y Block my next question would be about aftermarket aluminum four barrel manifolds or other configurations ever being produced for these engines? Was there a speed equipment market for these engines at one time? Are the cast iron versions of the head still found in wrecking yards outside the U.S.?
MarkMark, they are rare, scarce and not commercially available, as you probably follow my input into weslake engines, rumoured 6 alum sets, and the 1 set of my friends cast iron set. They both are an enigma and we can all dream but thats about it! I firmly believe there was no speed equip for them other than webers but injection could be fitted as in speedy bills.
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By MarkMontereyBay - 14 Years Ago
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Bill,
Maybe I am getting more senile that I remember. The heads and intake I was referring to in my last post should have said the Argentinian "Phase II" shown in the engine photo posted by Ford1940deluxe yesterday, not the Weslake version.
Mark
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By aussiebill - 14 Years Ago
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MarkMontereyBay (4/26/2010)
Bill,
Maybe I am getting more senile that I remember. The heads and intake I was referring to in my last post should have said the Argentinian "Phase II" shown in the engine photo posted by Ford1940deluxe yesterday, not the Weslake version.
MarkMark, i know the feeling! me too! I believe it applies to the PHS11 engines as well, i,m sure member from Brazil with galaxie mentioned there was no speed equipment for them and the rodder guy from there years back made his own intake because of that. regards bill.
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By glrbird - 14 Years Ago
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I thought i read somewhere that they road raced the phase 2 engines down there. it wan on another site, maybe someone will remember.
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By Highvoltage - 14 Years Ago
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Hello guys! Phase 2 related parts(heads, cam, intake, valve covers) are easy to find here in Argentina in used condition at an estimated cost of 200-300 US dollars, maybe a little less. You must add the rebuild cost and shipping cost to your country. Do the math and think if those numbers are of your convenience. About the Weslake Heads, we talk to the manufacturer in Tandil, at center of Buenos Aires Province and they told us that the people who hand build those heads are retired. They have most of machinery pieces but they think it will be impossible to build it again. I have a heavy job to "convince" the foundry owner to build it again. Also they told us that 150 sets of heds were built(where the fffffffffff are each head? I don´t know) But this is a time when some deads are walking again... A kid show a set of heads as a remaining parts of an Sport prototype engine that was blow by using stock rods(carrillo rods was lost at closed machine shop) and they broke the engine in big. Only remains the heads and weber carbs. That kid don´t want to sell the set by nothing. Another guy are selling a set of argie Weslake heads with outh the carbs for about 2000 US dollars. I want it but is much money here to spend on that at this moment.
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By PF Arcand - 14 Years Ago
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We've been reading for some time bits & pieces about the "phase 2" engines. However, I don't think anyone here has ever seen anything concrete to warrant the considerable mod's & cost involved to have or build one. And related to that, early SBF heads apparently don't flow appreciably better than iron "Y" heads. So, my point is that getting involved with phase 2 engines is likely far to involved, expensive and the results not that satisfactory, to be worth it! Besides, Mummert's new aluminum heads for the existing "Y" likely make any dreams about Phase 2 a mute point..
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By lovefordgalaxie - 14 Years Ago
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Paul, I agree with you. I live close to Argentina (well, a lot closer than you guys in the States), and have friends there that could send me some parts, but decided to stay with the traditional setup. The phase II engines are great, and even sound like a SBF, but since the majority of parts are no longer available new... I believe that if some has lots of time to go to Argentina and look for stuff, something can be found, but the costXbenefit would be really bad, considering that a "normal" Y-Block works great, and new parts are around to buy.
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