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By charliemccraney - 15 Years Ago
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I've tried Edelbrock. Now I've tried Holley. Don't think I'll go back to Edelbrock.
I was having a problem with the secondaries on the Edelbrock - when they open, the engine leaned out, it would stumble. No combination of jets/metering rods/metering springs that I tried even improved it. Nothing Edelbrock suggested improved it.
After talking with another member, I decided to get my feet wet with Holley, and go with a Street Avenger. It included 3 secondary springs. I had to use the black one. Now the transition to the secondaries is nice n smooth. That alone makes it worth it. Some other things improved. With the Edelbrock, when cornering hard - and just how hard can one corner in a 48 year old solid axle truck - it would stumble. The Holley doesn't do that. It seems to rev faster and feels a little more responsive. Jet changes are a piece of cake. On the Edelbrock, the whole top of the carb has to come off. That includes the air cleaner, fuel line, linkage clips, in some cases parts of the choke. On the Holley, it's just 4 screws and a fuel line. The Holley also has so much more available for tuning.
So, long story short, in a few days, I have the Holley running better than I could get my Edelbrock to run in 7 or 8 years - it's all blurred together now.
I kinda wish I had gone with a Holley to begin with but I like to have experience with many things so I can give informed advice.
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By unibodyboy - 15 Years Ago
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Charlie,
I did the same thing. Then I replaced the SA with a demon. Like the demon much better than the jump. :-)
What a money pit, but I guess you learn something new every time.
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By Carls56 - 15 Years Ago
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I bought a street avenger for a Camaro that I had.I really liked that carb.I had it on the car a couple of weeks and changed cams.
It comes with the blue gaskets,so changing power valves took all of 5 minutes. I would buy another one if I was looking for a carb.
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By pegleg - 15 Years Ago
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I'd seen a real deterioration in the quality of Holley products over the last few years. Used to be a fan of their products. I was involved with the Company back in the '70's when they developed their intake manifolds. They were fun to work with then, the engineer who ran the program (Mark Campbell) later went on to become Chief Engineer at Crane Cams. I sincerely hope the newest management at Holley takes the quality issues seriously. Between the disaster that was the first "Pro-Jection" with it's horrible electronics and the leaking, non-working junk of the last ten years, they have their work cut out for them. I have replaced my last Holley on my Ranger with a Demon, which works, doesn't leak and stays in tune. Charlie, They cornering issue has been a constant with Carters and Edelbrocks since the Dawn of time. My 65 GTO had those issues 40 odd years ago.
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By charliemccraney - 15 Years Ago
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Hopefully I have none of those problems. I was planning to do fuel injection this year but I'm so far behind as it is. With 2 months until Columbus, I just want something that will not stumble and accelerate smoothly when floored. And that seems to be what has been achieved.
I would like to have picked up a Demon locally at a reasonable price, but the Holley is all I found. I don't really like to mail order these sorts of things.
It was raining today. It definitely picked up some bottom end. It spins the tires much more easily.
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By GREENBIRD56 - 15 Years Ago
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Charlie - If your Avenger carb didn't come with the STEEL needle and seat assemblies, consider getting some. They can be bought from Holley 2 per package in the .110 orfice size for a decent price. In recent times I have had all sorts of float level stability problems - both with the Demon in my bird - and the Holley in my 442 - the current flavor of "gas" is not too kind to the Viton needle/seat arrangement.
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By pegleg - 15 Years Ago
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Steve. John thinks it's the alcohol in gas that does this. I agree. Does a number to the accel pump on my teapot too. Funny part is, John raises soybeans, guess what they make out of those!!
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By aussiebill - 15 Years Ago
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Baked beans, human beans !!
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 15 Years Ago
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Hey, hold on there Pegleg. They make diesel fuel from my soybeans. The corn is used for ethanol. When they finally take the entire US corn crop for fuel production, you won't have any more corn flakes for breakfast or corn fed beef to cook on your outdoor grill.
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By Glen Henderson - 15 Years Ago
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Whoa John, I can do without the corn flakes and the corn fed beef, but I ain't giving up my cornbread!
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By speedpro56 - 15 Years Ago
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Me neither!!!!!!!!!!!
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By pegleg - 15 Years Ago
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BOTH of you Rebels should bring some of that cornbread to Columbus. All we have up here is Bio-Diesel soy beans and ethanol.
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 15 Years Ago
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What gets me is why we are using shelled corn to make ethanol. We take a corn seed, pour the fertilizer to it (which takes fossil fuel to make and transport), grow a big green plant with wide leaves and maybe as much as 8 feet tall, with two ears of corn on it, then in the fall we shell only the grains off those ears and throw all the rest of the plant away. Why can't we find a plant that we can use the whole plant to make ethanol? South America uses sugar cane, but I don't think it grows well in our climate. Surely we can develop a plant that will do the job more efficiently than corn. Then Glen and Gary can still have their cornbread.
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By pegleg - 15 Years Ago
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30 years ago, or so, they did grow quite a bit of sugar cane in Sunny south Fla. I think the labor costs were somewhat higher than South America. Actually, for the first half of the last century we got most of our sugar from Cuba, Castro and friends stopped that. The mid section of Florida has a climate that works for sugar cane I gather.
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By pegleg - 15 Years Ago
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John, My e-mail is down and your PM box is full. Tell Gordon AZ gets 57/58 bucks for the distributor.
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By charliemccraney - 15 Years Ago
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I'll probably pick up a set of steel needles and seats the next time I'm at Summit. The fuel pump died today. No more Holley reds for me. So, Frank, that summit pump still going strong?
Can these run on shine? There's a lot of that around here.
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By charliemccraney - 15 Years Ago
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I'm going to try an Airtex E84070. It's an oem for '80 - '83 Ford 400 to 1100 series trucks with a 429. Some guys on the slick60s truck forum say it's a reliable pump. It's the same thing as the Carter and available through local parts stores. If that doesn't do it, then I'll give up on the electric pumps.
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By pegleg - 15 Years Ago
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Charlie, Sorry, missed that. The Holley pump in the truck is six or seven years old. I've had to redo the wiring a coule of times to clean up corrosion, but the pump's still Tickin' fine. The in tank pump in the red car is OK too. (Mustang-hi volume) from Summit, dunno who makes their pumps, but I've had zero problems with them. Also had good luck with Carter. Lotsa Holley problems, except the Ranger (?)
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By GREENBIRD56 - 15 Years Ago
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Charlie - I think you're headed down the right road - daily drivers have different needs than the race cars. Home engineering a solid DD road vehicle is a different deal than something you don't jump in and drive every day. Do you have it wired for a (minimum) oil pressure kill switch?
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By charliemccraney - 15 Years Ago
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AZ28 (7/8/2009)
Do you have it wired for a (minimum) oil pressure kill switch?
Nope. It's quite dangerous in that respect at this time. But a pressure kill switch will be a part of the wire harness install. If you saw the rest of the harness, it really wouldn't make the truck much safer overall. I will probably do an inertia switch as well. I think that's what it's called - to shut off the fuel in the event of a collision.
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By PF Arcand - 15 Years Ago
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John: Re the wasted corn plant. I thought the balance of the plant was used for animal silage, or is that a different variety?
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 15 Years Ago
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Paul: Silage is a different deal, the corn is cut green and chopped, plant, ear and all, and is stored in a silo where it ferments. Corn for grain, which is used as feed, human food, or ethanol, is harvested after the grain has ripened and the stalks are dry. There is no remaining food value in the stalks, if animals eat them it only fills their stomachs. The stalks are typically left in the field. In my previous post I forgot to mention that as I understand it, sugar cane produces more than one crop per season, whereby corn is a one shot deal per year. When ethanol was first being produced, it took more than a gallon of fossil fuel to get the corn raised, transported, converted to a gallon of ethanol, and transported to market. They have finally gotten that ratio reversed.
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By pegleg - 15 Years Ago
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What do you do with sileage?
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By Glen Henderson - 15 Years Ago
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You feed it too cows.
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By Ol'ford nut - 15 Years Ago
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What size Holley are you running on your 292 or 312? I plan on replacing my old Ford 4 bbl. Not sure what cfm is but I think around 390 is what they were rated at. My engine is a 292 bored 60 with duals and a 4 speed. Thanks for the help.
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By charliemccraney - 15 Years Ago
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It is a 570. Use this or a Demon 525. You shouldn't need anything bigger.
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By GREENBIRD56 - 15 Years Ago
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Are you still tuning on this thing Charlie? Which squirter size did you end up with in the primary?
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By charliemccraney - 15 Years Ago
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Nope. I haven't had time. It's running very well so fine tuning is not a priority at this point. To busy getting stuff ready for Columbus. So far all I've changed are the primary jets -they are 60s now, and the secondary spring.
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By Jeffs54Merc - 15 Years Ago
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I use a 600 cfm Holley Street Avenger on my 256 y-block with no problems. This came out of the box with a few minor adjustments and down the road.
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