At an NHRA event in the late 50's....


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By Daniel Jessup - 16 Years Ago
Thought I would throw this up on the racing forum to remind us all of the name and reputation a Y block has among the general public who are realistic when it comes to our great engine's place in history (then and now).

I went to Carlisle, PA, today for their annual Ford show - lots of rain, so I hung out at all of the swap spaces that took about 3-4 hours of time to peruse. Wouldn't you know it...I spotted 2 mcculloch blowers. One was a demo "cutaway" version for a sales man I guess, and the other was one that had been rebuilt.

The owner and I began discussing VS57's because I was talking to him about Y blocks, needing a carb bonnet, etc. This eventually led to Ford and Paxton's work on the VR blower. Well, this fella was a Korean War vet, did some time as an NHRA official in the 50's etc.

He said there was a guy with a 57 Ford passenger car, blown 312 (VR57), back in the late 50's that ran at a drag race in Detroit, MI. He said this fella was eating up chevy's left and right. He also said that this Y blocker had put 4 speed gears in a 3 speed transmission case, and the NHRA allowed it because the rules were not specific enough...He mentioned John??? Hoosier could that have been you by any chance?w00t

Anyway, it was good to spend some time with him benchracing the Y!

By Ol Ford Guy - 16 Years Ago
The only Ford I know of in the Midwest that really stood out in drag racing was George Chaltin's 57 Skyliner F Code. I believe George was in the final for SS in 57 and lost to a Chevy. The following years his car was dropped to A/s because of the weight andI think he won the NHRA Nationals at least 3 times. He ran low 15's and high 14's. I have heard about the 4 speed gears in the T-85 case. I heard that George took on tailpipe of for weight reduction, but they made him put it back on. Stock pretty much meant stock back then. I have some articles and other information documenting the car. The car is owned by a collector now, I believe George converted it to Fordomatic before he sold it. He put an F Engine in a yellow and white Fairlane two door and his resultrs were not what he thought they would be. It turns out the rear weight of the Skyliner helped the car hook up.
By pegleg - 16 Years Ago
Which is part of the reason (Bill)  Parham & (Gordon) Payne ran an F code Wagon, the extra weight on the rear end. NHRA did about everything they could think of to stop the cars including re-factoring the hp ratings to 340 hp. Hoosier's your source here, he's raced F Codes for 40 + years.w00t
By Hoosier Hurricane - 16 Years Ago
Daniel:

I was in another state yesterday, just got back.  The guy in Michingan with the 4 speed '57 was Paul Stefansky.  I saw him run the car at the US Nationals in about '61, heard him shift it 3 times, and wondered how he ever got that overdrive to kick in that fast.  Some years later I got the story.  When Warner Gear was starting their T-10 program, they took the T-85 case, bored the back of the case for the two piece reverse gear, cast an aluminum tail housing, and put 4 speeds in the T-85 case and reverse in the tail housing for their prototypes.  I don't know if Paul built his own, or if he got ahold of one of the WG units.  He was sponsored by Andy Hotton, who did a lot of development work and special projects for Ford back then.

The NHRA rules at the time stated that the transmission had to have the original case and at least as many forward gears as the original.  After Paul proved the trans was legal according to the rules, NHRA changed the rules.  The unfair part of that rule change was that '57 scrubs could run 4 speeds because they were offered as an option in corvettes in '57, but it was general knowledge that gm didn't offer them in '57 passenger cars.  And then there were the scrub sedan deliveries with fuel injection (engine swaps within the division was allowed) and 4 speed Hydromatic transmissions, because the SD was considered a truck, and gm offered HMs in their trucks.  If you wanted to get the late Richard Gaston fired up, mention that scenerio to him.

By paul2748 - 16 Years Ago
I was at the Street Rod Nationals at York, PA and one of the swap meet vendors had what he said was a 57 blower.
By Hoosier Hurricane - 16 Years Ago
Cereal Killer:

Of course it was stock.  I'm sure a lot of us, ummm, older gearheads can remember going to the local scrub dealer and looking at several fuel injected, 4 speed, 9 passenger wagons on the lot, in a variety of colors in '57.  At the time we were probably looking for the injected, hydromatic sedan deliveries, they must have been in another lot somewhere.

By pegleg - 16 Years Ago
Also had another uh.......stock, Pontiac Catalina, 9 passenger wagon, 4 speed 421 SD (405 hp) that I ran in stock. Never saw too many of those on the showroom floor.

      The car was originally a 389 auto car, converted to the Sd combo and I bought it used. I broke a crank in half at York during a launch. Pontiac wanted $590 something dollars for a new crank and a couple of rods. I was making $600 a month as an Industrial Engineer. That was the end of that adventure.

      Point is, NHRA accepted the car as stock. It was one of NONE ever built by Pontiac. Had it been a Ford, or Mopar I'd have had to run Gas or Modified Production, NHRA wouldn't have bought the stock thing.   

By PWH42 - 16 Years Ago
I've always known that NHRA and NASCAR have written their rules to pacify GM,particularly Chevy.I'm not into drag racing but until recently I've been into stock cars all my life and I know that NASCAR has been biased toward GM since 1957.Every time Ford or Chrysler starts winning too many races we get a rule change.Chevy can win 70-80 percent of the races and NASCAR doesn't change a thing.NASCAR has never outlawed a GM engine,but they have,in the past,banned engines from both Ford and Chrysler.
By Hoosier Hurricane - 16 Years Ago
While we're all bashing the rules makers and gm, let's not forget the '68 Mustang 428 Cobra Jet that Ford slipped in on them.  Dominated their classes big time.  Rated it at a puny 335 horses, even with the ram air hood.
By MoonShadow - 16 Years Ago
I had a factory lightened 69 Fairlane Cobra 428SCJ. 4 speed top loader and a 4:30 Detroit locker rear end. It was quick! The local drag strip kept moving me around to different classes, both up and down, depending on where the big scrub mobiles were. I always seemed to be in a class where the local super scrubs weren't. One week I would be with the 390 Fairlane's, the next with the Hemi's! I couldn't tell if their scales kept changing or their rule book! Still managed to smoke a few of them!
By pegleg - 16 Years Ago
Hoosier Hurricane (6/9/2009)
While we're all bashing the rules makers and gm, let's not forget the '68 Mustang 428 Cobra Jet that Ford slipped in on them.  Dominated their classes big time.  Rated it at a puny 335 horses, even with the ram air hood.

     Note here, NHRA refactored those cars too. I think 345 was the original re-factored rating.

By Don Woodruff - 16 Years Ago
Lets not forget how the weight breaks just happend to fall for some scrub engine body configurations. To the third decimal point.
By Hoosier Hurricane - 16 Years Ago
How about a '57 Ford 2 dr wagon with a shipping weight of 3600 lbs?  With a 300 horse engine it falls exactly at 12.0000 lbs/cu. in.  That's why Gordon Payne (and others) used them, besides they had a little more weight in the rear than a Custom 2 door.
By ecode ragtop - 16 Years Ago
DAN,  THE GENTILE MAN YOU WERE TALKING TO AT CARLISIE ,IS MY OLD SWAP MEET PARTNER. CY KUBISTA FROM MINN. CY WAS A PAXTON DEALER IN 1955 AND AND A FORD DEALER TECH. THAT WORKED THE MINN. STATE POLICE PURSUTE CARS. BOTH E&F SERIES. CY HAS ALWAYS LOVED THE Y-BLOCKS. BUT MAINLY THE LINCOLN 368. HE WON THE 67 I.S.C.A. SHOW CAR CHAMPIONSHIP WITH A T-BUCKET 368 Y-BLOCK 8 STORMBURGS AND TWIN PAXTON SUPERCHARGERS. HE HELD A N.H.R.A. NATIONAL RECORD WITH A 40 FORD COUPE, 368 Y-BLOCK HILBORN INJECTION. HE ALSO WAS THE RUNNER UP AT THE 57 NATIONALS IN SUPER STOCK AT OKLAHOMA CITY. CY DROVE A BILL STROPE 57 MERCURY 368 Y-BLOCK WITH TWO-FOURS HE WAS AHEAD IN THE LAST PASS,WHEN A FUEL PUMP SPRING BROKE , HE GOT NOSED OUT BY A 57 SCRUB. CY IS A GREAT GUY TO TALK TO ABOUT THE OLD DAYS OF RACING Y-BLOCKS. THANKS TOM DRUMMOND MID WEST DIRECTOR 1957 FORD INTERNATIONAL