By RossL - 2 Weeks Ago
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Is ECZ 9425B the correct intake for a 1957 Thunderbird? I want to use this on my 1955 TBird 292 engine with a more modern carb
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 2 Weeks Ago
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Yes.
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By Deyomatic - Last Week
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I think you're going to need to get a '57 and up distributor, also, for advance purposes.
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By paul2748 - Last Week
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Yes - and later carb will require a later (57 and up) distributor.
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By Ted - Last Week
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Stuff you wanted to know about the ECZ-B manifold but were afraid to ask. The ECZ-B four barrel intake manifold was first introduced in late 1956 for the 1957 models equipped with the 245 HP 312 engines. The larger trucks also used this 4V manifold through 1964 on the 292 engines. For the 1957 Ford/Mercury and 1958 Mercury models, the intake manifold had a vented air tube passing through the lower bottom side of the intake manifold to supply heated air to the choke. Those tubes are problematic in eroding over time thus causing an exhaust leak either to the carburetor choke housing or to the outside of the manifold or both. Those tubes are available new in a stainless steel version and can be replaced. If not using a ‘hot air’ choke, then those two holes on each side of the manifold can be blocked to prevent a potential exhaust leak. Starting in 1959, that tube was eliminated from the ECZ-B intake manifold as the air supply for the choke was relocated to a heat stove within the right-side exhaust manifold. The early ECZ-B 4V manifolds did not have the engine firing order on them. Starting in mid-February 1957, the firing order started appearing on the intake. This is only important to the restoration crowd when date coding of the parts becomes important. I have now dyno tested some of those stock ECZ-B manifolds in a back-to-back manner on the 312 dyno mule and have found up to a 6 HP difference between them. Depending upon the date and the casting mold, there are some performance differences. Both the casting part number and the mold numbers are located on the manifolds on the rear runners behind the carburetor flange. It’s interesting that the ECZ-C dual quad 8V manifold was available for the 1956 Mercury models. Simple logic says that the ECZ-B 4V manifold was already designed and ready for production in 1956 and simply waiting to be used on the 1957 model cars. The stock throttle bore size at the carburetor flange is 1.500”. The replacement 465 cfm Holley carbs for the 1957 Thunderbird match this perfectly. To use some of the newer aftermarket carburetors, it will be necessary to either enlarge those bore sizes or use a carburetor spacer that accommodates the throttle bore size of the carb that’s being used. The throttle bore size of most 600 cfm carbs is 1.560” while the throttle bore size for 750 carbs is 1.690” and 1.735” for 850 carbs. In a perfect world, it’s desired to not have any ‘ledges’ in the flow path. For additional performance, there is an advantage to machining the four holes at the carb flange to a two-slot configuration. The slots are made larger to accommodate the later model carburetors. This by itself is worth ~6 HP without any other mods or porting to the manifold.
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By KULTULZ - 8 days ago
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Just a note -
The 4V INTAKE MANIFOLD for the 1957/64 272/292 TRUCK was slightly different than the PASS CAR ECZ-B.
I have never seen one (or realized it when I saw/worked on one).
I would think the difference(s) would be for the governors and related.
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By DANIEL TINDER - Last Week
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The ‘55 heads will have smaller intake ports. You may suffer some flow restriction/turbulence issues, though how significant I wouldn’t know.
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By KULTULZ - Last Week
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... hmmph ...
This brings up another little factoid I have been wondering about.
The carb pad throttle bores on the ECZ-B are 1.5in (and I assume on the 55 and 56 4V intakes also) and if one wants to go with a larger carb either has to modify the carb pad throttle bores (which will affect resale value of the intake) or use a step adapter.
The step adapter throttle bores do not not perfectly align with the carb pad bores but has a mis-match.
How difficult would it be to fabricate a spacer/adapter (alum or phenolic) that the bores would align?
But with a BIRD and required carb height for hood closure this would,not apply. But still wondering for later carb use (H1850) for PASS CAR w/o having to modify a high dollar ECZ-B intake.
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By 55blacktie - Last Week
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I seem to recall Dan Jessup realizing a performance gain when using the ECZ-B intake on the earlier (smaller) heads. You might ask him.
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By Deyomatic - 7 days ago
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Kultulz...seems like you'd have to get maybe a 1" thick spacer with 1.5" throttle holes and gasket match the the holes on the "top" side with a die grinder.
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By RossL - Last Week
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Ted (8/10/2025)
The stock throttle bore size at the carburetor flange is 1.500”. The replacement 465 cfm Holley carbs for the 1957 Thunderbird match this perfectly. To use some of the newer aftermarket carburetors, it will be necessary to either enlarge those bore sizes or use a carburetor spacer that accommodates the throttle bore size of the carb that’s being used. The throttle bore size of most 600 cfm carbs is 1.560” while the throttle bore size for 750 carbs is 1.690” and 1.735” for 850 carbs. In a perfect world, it’s desired to not have any ‘ledges’ in the flow path. For additional performance, there is an advantage to machining the four holes at the carb flange to a two-slot configuration. The slots are made larger to accommodate the later model carburetors. This by itself is worth ~6 HP without any other mods or porting to the manifold.
Would you be able to modify my manifold? My 292 is stock, are there any other porting mods for the manifold?
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By KULTULZ - 6 days ago
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"Kultulz...seems like you'd have to get maybe a 1" thick spacer with 1.5" throttle holes and gasket match the the holes on the "top" side with a die grinder."
I had saved a photo from EvilBay where a seller listed an ECZ-B and it showed hogged-out carb pad throttle bores. GNARLY ain't the word and would interfere with proper flow.
The F4100 ADAPTER sold by SPEEDWAY (and others) shows the transitioning bores not directly lining up with the intake bores. I am wondering if someone like TED could machine a proper adapter (and how much) to make the transition cleaner for a 1.5in carb throttle bore.. Otherwise, one would have to use the period 1.5in throttle bore carbs (HOLLEY-FORD-CARTER) or have the carb pad modified. One would also have to cipher on TED's dyno pulls to find the best method to use (IMO).
The problem with a BIRD is hood clearance and an adapter/spacer cannot be used. The 1957 H-4150 is expensive if you can find one.
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By KULTULZ - 6 days ago
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"Would you be able to modify my manifold? My 292 is stock, are there any other porting mods for the manifold?"
Well, yes and no. Yes, the 57/ ECZ-B can be modified for a later style carb (larger throttle bore size). No, if wanting to mount a later style carb on your present intake as it would require an adapter and could not be used on a BIRD due to hood closing (carb mounting being too high).
Also, there should be no problem using the 57/ ECZ-B intake on the 55/56 cyl heads as FORD lists the same intake gaskets for all three years (subject to correction) (also would be nice to know all years component runner sizes).
Why do you want a later style carb? You will also have to go with a 57/ DUAL ADVANCE DIST and that will require a 12V upgrade due to losing the proper 1955 LOAD-O-MATIC carb signal.
Hold off until this thread is reviewed/answered by TED EATON as to the best/easiest way out.
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By Hoosier Hurricane - Last Week
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The '57 distributor will operate on a 6 volt system. The distributor is merely a switch, through the points. The coil is what determines the voltage required. Tach drive '57 distributors are rare and expensive.
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By RossL - Last Week
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KULTULZ (8/13/2025)
"Would you be able to modify my manifold? My 292 is stock, are there any other porting mods for the manifold?" Well, yes and no. Yes, the 57/ ECZ-B can be modified for a later style carb (larger throttle bore size). No, if wanting to mount a later style carb on your present intake as it would require an adapter and could not be used on a BIRD due to hood closing (carb mounting being too high). Also, there should be no problem using the 57/ ECZ-B intake on the 55/56 cyl heads as FORD lists the same intake gaskets for all three years (subject to correction) (also would be nice to know all years component runner sizes). Why do you want a later style carb? You will also have to go with a 57/ DUAL ADVANCE DIST and that will require a 12V upgrade due to losing the proper 1955 LOAD-O-MATIC carb signal. Hold off until this thread is reviewed/answered by TED EATON as to the best/easiest way out.
The car is 12 volts. I already have a 57 distributor and ECZ B manifold.
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By KULTULZ - Last Week
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"The '57 distributor will operate on a 6 volt system. The distributor is merely a switch, through the points. The coil is what determines the voltage required."
You have done this? Will a set of 6V breaker points fit a 57/ DUAL ADV DIST PLATE? Using a 6V coil?
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By KULTULZ - Last Week
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"The car is 12 volts. I already have a 57 distributor and ECZ B manifold."
- IN MY OPINION ONLY - In that case, you are ready to make the conversion.
The only problem I see is that the ECZ-B intake throttle bores are 1.5" and the period carb(s) used had throttle bores to match the intake bores. Depending on what style carb you go with, the replacement carb throttle bores will most likely be larger. You would have to sit the new carb on the manifold and while operating the throttle shafts see if there is any interference between the throttle blades and manifold bores (incl mounting gasket).
If so, you would have to either modify the carb pad or use a larger bore carb spacer (the 57 BIRD came through with a spacer) to allow the carb throttle bores to open and close freely. The only problem would be a mis-match of bore sizes at the spacer and intake bores. There is no transitioning (tapered) spacer that I am aware of to allow a more free mixture flow.
Don't forget the needed ballast resistor for the 12V coil.
If you decide to go ahead without other opinions here, please get back and let the board know how it went.
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By Hoosier Hurricane - Last Week
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The points are not voltage specific. Use the '57 points in the '57 distributor, regardless of the voltage.
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By KULTULZ - Last Week
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Have you done this?
How about the condenser?
OEM 6V isn't going to give a very hot spark unless going with an amplifier or ICM (w/ specialty coil)..
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By pintoplumber - Last Week
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I’ve converted my ‘54 239” to the ‘57 and up distributor, must be close to 20 years ago. I’m still 6 volt. Used the points and condenser from the ‘57 and up distributor.
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By KULTULZ - Last Week
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"I’ve converted my ‘54 239” to the ‘57 and up distributor, must be close to 20 years ago. I’m still 6 volt. Used the points and condenser from the ‘57 and up distributor."
... hmmpf ...
THANX for the reply.
So no point (12V) burning, pitting or condenser failure(s). 6V coil and no overheating? It keeps the plugs clean?
Cheap quick way out of the LOAD-O-MATIC.
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By Deyomatic - Last Week
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While the intake is off is the time to mess with it, obviously. I have no hood clearance concerns but am running a 1" phenolic spacer in between a 9425-B and a Holley 1850-?. I used a die grinder to make the transition from carb to spacer and spacer to intake nice and smooth. If hood clearance IS an issue, use your 4-hole base gasket as a pattern and open up the intake enough that it all fits, if you need to. According to the Holley "List," the 1850s are 1 9/16" throttle bores. They show a 450 CFM that's 1.5" (List number is R4548).
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By KULTULZ - Last Week
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If its was me ... ... I would try and find the correct 1957 H4150 core and rebuild or have rebuilt the HOLLEY as the OP still has to consider the needed 1957 TV LINKAGE changeover (from 1955 H4000) if a F/M.
That and the proper phenolic spacer (OEM on 57 FORD and BIRD H4150 - B7AZ 9A589-B)
Another thing to consider, is the 1955 ACL ASSY oil bath or dry.
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By 55blacktie - 5 days ago
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KULTULZ (8/13/2025)
If its was me ... ... I would try and find the correct 1957 H4150 core and rebuild or have rebuilt the HOLLEY as the OP still has to consider the needed 1957 TV LINKAGE changeover (from 1955 H4000) if a F/M.
That and the proper phenolic spacer (OEM on 57 FORD and BIRD H4150 - B7AZ 9A589-B)
Another thing to consider, is the 1955 ACL ASSY oil bath or dry. Ross, you might want to talk to MarkR on VTCI; he has a 55 Tbird. He recently switched from the Holley 4150 Street Avenger 570 carburetor to the Holley 4160 390 cfm carburetor. His car has a manual transmission. Having looked at photos of his car, I think he retained the original throttle linkage. I, on the other hand, converting the Fordomatic to a C4, I'm using Lokar throttle pedal and both throttle & transmission kickdown cables.
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By pintoplumber - 5 days ago
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KULTULZ (8/13/2025)
"I’ve converted my ‘54 239” to the ‘57 and up distributor, must be close to 20 years ago. I’m still 6 volt. Used the points and condenser from the ‘57 and up distributor." ... hmmpf ... THANX for the reply. So no point (12V) burning, pitting or condenser failure(s). 6V coil and no overheating? It keeps the plugs clean? Cheap quick way out of the LOAD-O-MATIC.
Not a cheap quick way on a ‘54 239. I had to change the oil pump and oil pump drive to match the distributor. My 239 also has a 312 crank in it. My best has been a 16.88 @ 82 mph.
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By KULTULZ - 5 days ago
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THANX AGAIN (also Daniel Tinder & Hoosier) for edumecating me. If no damage to the 12V points and condenser with a 6V system it is a cheap way out (1955/56).
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By Ted - Last Week
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RossL (8/12/2025) Would you be able to modify my manifold? My 292 is stock, are there any other porting mods for the manifold? While the actual slotting of the holes can be performed by the do it yourselfer, machining the flange flat does require some form of milling operation. Due to shipping costs, it’s always worthwhile looking for a local machine shop that can do this operation as shipping costs can easily outweigh the actual machining operation. But yes, if the manifold is shipped to me, I can do that slotting operation to it. Just email me directly regarding doing that. Here's some more info about FYB intake manifolds in general. Ford did an extremely good job in matching the air flow requirements of the ECZ-B intake manifold to that of the 1957 heads and camshaft. Issues with that factory air flow in the ECZ-B manifold occurs when the camshaft is upgraded, the cubic inches are increased, the compression ratio is increased, and/or any porting in the cylinder heads takes place. When any of this takes place, the ECZ-B manifold is then lacking in air flow to keep up with any of the aforementioned changes and then requires modifications in order to keep up with the revised flow requirements. While talking about intake manifold air flow requirements, I have tested both the ECZ-A (Teapot) and ECZ-B manifolds in a back-to-back dyno test and the ECZ-B handily wins this contest. In this particular test, a dead stock ECZ-B manifold is worth 27 horsepower over the ECZ-A manifold. Both intakes were tested with a 750 cfm Holley carb. Ledges at the carburetor flange was evident in both instances so there’s more to be had in both instances. When I modify the ECZ-B intakes so that they are dual slotted, I typically do that so that the larger bore carburetors fit without ledges or flow restrictions at the entry point of the manifold. If using a carburetor spacer, then the sizing of the holes within the carb spacer are taken into consideration. For most of these modifications, I use a Moroso P/N 64930 four hole spacer as the template for hole placement and general sizing. As Kultulz brings up, the ’55-’57 Thunderbirds are not carb spacer height friendly so take that into consideration. In machining the Mercury 8 Restorations (M8R) aluminum 4V intake manifold entry bores from the as supplied 1.510” to the 1.783” size, there was an 8 HP increase. Very significant increase and without making the entry slotted. That manifold was tested in both bore size configurations with the aforementioned Moroso 1” 4 hole spacer but had a ledge or flow restriction at the carburetor flange with the 1.510” throttle bores. The increase to 1.783” simply had the throttle bores in the intake manifold matching the carb spacer which was then topped off with a 750 cfm Holley also with 1.783” carb bores. Here’s a picture of the M8R intake before enlarging the throttle bores.
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By RossL - 10 hours ago
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Ted (8/16/2025)
RossL (8/12/2025) Would you be able to modify my manifold? My 292 is stock, are there any other porting mods for the manifold?While the actual slotting of the holes can be performed by the do it yourselfer, machining the flange flat does require some form of milling operation. Due to shipping costs, it’s always worthwhile looking for a local machine shop that can do this operation as shipping costs can easily outweigh the actual machining operation. But yes, if the manifold is shipped to me, I can do that slotting operation to it. Just email me directly regarding doing that. Here's some more info about FYB intake manifolds in general. Ford did an extremely good job in matching the air flow requirements of the ECZ-B intake manifold to that of the 1957 heads and camshaft. Issues with that factory air flow in the ECZ-B manifold occurs when the camshaft is upgraded, the cubic inches are increased, the compression ratio is increased, and/or any porting in the cylinder heads takes place. When any of this takes place, the ECZ-B manifold is then lacking in air flow to keep up with any of the aforementioned changes and then requires modifications in order to keep up with the revised flow requirements. While talking about intake manifold air flow requirements, I have tested both the ECZ-A (Teapot) and ECZ-B manifolds in a back-to-back dyno test and the ECZ-B handily wins this contest. In this particular test, a dead stock ECZ-B manifold is worth 27 horsepower over the ECZ-A manifold. Both intakes were tested with a 750 cfm Holley carb. Ledges at the carburetor flange was evident in both instances so there’s more to be had in both instances. When I modify the ECZ-B intakes so that they are dual slotted, I typically do that so that the larger bore carburetors fit without ledges or flow restrictions at the entry point of the manifold. If using a carburetor spacer, then the sizing of the holes within the carb spacer are taken into consideration. For most of these modifications, I use a Moroso P/N 64930 four hole spacer as the template for hole placement and general sizing. As Kultulz brings up, the ’55-’57 Thunderbirds are not carb spacer height friendly so take that into consideration. In machining the Mercury 8 Restorations (M8R) aluminum 4V intake manifold entry bores from the as supplied 1.510” to the 1.783” size, there was an 8 HP increase. Very significant increase and without making the entry slotted. That manifold was tested in both bore size configurations with the aforementioned Moroso 1” 4 hole spacer but had a ledge or flow restriction at the carburetor flange with the 1.510” throttle bores. The increase to 1.783” simply had the throttle bores in the intake manifold matching the carb spacer which was then topped off with a 750 cfm Holley also with 1.783” carb bores. Here’s a picture of the M8R intake before enlarging the throttle bores.
Thank you for the education. I will see if I can find a local shop to mill it, shipping costs are pretty high the past few years. Do tell them just to make the surface "flat"?
Could I use this insulator as a template to open the holes?
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By Joe-JDC - 9 hours ago
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Keep the slots straight at the divider. Joe-JDC
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By 55blacktie - 9 hours ago
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When I shipped my intake manifold to Ted, I shipped it by UPS Flat Rate (not USPS), using my box. Rather than having it picked up at my door, I dropped it off at the nearest UPS-authorized store. The cost to ship the manifold from Northern California to Lorena, TX was $22. I included a return shipping label but was charged an additional $9 for pickup at Ted's place. Shipping prices probably have gone up since then. The ECZ-B intake weighs approximately 31 lbs. You can ship up to 50 lbs. with UPS Flat Rate in a box that does not exceed 1728 cubic inches.
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By Deyomatic - 7 minutes ago
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If you don't have a machinist that you trust locally I would ABSOLUTELY send one to Ted. A place local to me said it would take him at least 2 hours just to get the intake squared up on his mill. I opted to just grind mine out a bit with a die grinder instead of either waste my money or risk him screwing up the manifold.
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