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By Rono - 5 Years Ago
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I went and looked at a junkyard Mercury Y Block today that had been sitting out in a pickup bed for a long time. Intake was gone as well as some spark plugs and water in the block. Rebuilt tag indicated mains were ground .010 and rods .020 with .040 overbore. Pretty sure the block is junk, but had a good valley and oil pan. The heads were COAE which makes me think it is a 1960, but the crank flange confused me. There was a very small raised dot on this crank flange and nothing like the eraser size raised dot on the 312 Ford cranks. So is there a difference between the Mercury and Ford 312 cranks with respect to the dot on the crank flange? If it's a 312 I'll go back and get it. He only wants $50.00 for it. Sorry, I don't have a photo to share.
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By Oldmics - 5 Years Ago
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Check this link on the Mummert site for crankshaft identification. It shows the small dot cranks.
http://www.ford-y-block.com/crankshaftid.htm
Its prob not a 312.
Oldmics
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By darrell - 5 Years Ago
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no difference
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By charliemccraney - 5 Years Ago
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For $50, if you have room, get it, no matter what it is. The block might be fine but even if it is not, the remaining parts are easily worth $50.00. They aren't going to get easier to find. Don't let them go to scrap if you can.
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By FORD DEARBORN - 5 Years Ago
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I agree with Charlie - buy it. The rods and crank may as least be salvageable. It sure sounds like a '60 Mercury? If this is the case, it would be a 312. If I can remember, the 60 Mercury valve covers were kind of a light green as opposed to a darker green used in 57?
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By miker - 5 Years Ago
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Ron, I’m in the market for a valley pan to modify. I can take it with the oil fill tube cut off, so shipping is cheap. That should get most of your money back for the whole deal.
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By Rono - 5 Years Ago
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Okay guys...I'll go back there tomorrow and see if I can get it!
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By FORD DEARBORN - 5 Years Ago
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If you get it post a couple pics. Nothing more fun than scoring and exploring a salvaged Y-block. Good luck.................
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By Rono - 5 Years Ago
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Okay guys I got the motor and fo an extra $10.00 the tranny too, but I'm not sure if the tranny actually belongs to this Y Block. I have been searching the internet to try and I.D. the tranny, but can't seem to nail it down. The bell housing has the casting PAR-7975-A but doesn't look like anything I have seen on line. The transmission has no tag that I can find, but has the casting # PAW-7006-A.
I think it is a Merc-o-Matic, but maybe it's a Lincoln tranny. 1960 seems to have been a transition year. Any help would be appreciated.     
The motor seems to be a 1960 312 with the EDB block casting. I took a couple of pics of the crank flange but they are a bit fuzzy. It still looks like 1 small raised dot with a single half moon cut out on the flange. Valley pan looks like it has the original PCV valve set-up. Miker, send me a PM so I can get that to you if you want it.
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By kevink1955 - 5 Years Ago
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As you suspected that trans did not come from that engine, the crank has a pilot bearing for a stick shft
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By darrell - 5 Years Ago
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no edb blocks in 1960.its probably a 292.
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By 2721955meteor - 5 Years Ago
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just sold a 312 the crank had the raised dot like your pictures,it had a tag from vulcan,a ford rebuilder in vancouver. bore and stroke checked when heads where off it was a 312. bin sitting for years,had couple stuck valves,ran well sold fast
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By Rono - 5 Years Ago
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Darrell; EDB blocks were used for some 312 Mercury's according to Mummert's info. I'll know more once I drop the oi pan.
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By paul2748 - 5 Years Ago
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Rono - sent you a PM
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By 2721955meteor - 5 Years Ago
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remember 292s and 312s where made in canada most in later years where for industrial use,fork lifts and lumber carriers where dominant hear in bc,many had odd heads for use in propane,huge intakes and sodeum exhaust valves. also lots of ys for australia where made in eastern canada in the end 350 chives replaced the ys mainly as parts dried-up after the ys where discontinued
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By KULTULZ - 5 Years Ago
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Look at EDB- A and EDB-E on the below chart.
The ID No on the DIST will also help.
SOURCE - JOHN MUMMERT
EDIT - ADDITION
Look at C0AE Cyl Head description and notice valve size -
SOURCE - Casting ID Nos. Cyl Head - FYB 1958-1964 Head Casting Nos - Tim McMaster
FYB 312 Crankshaft - 1956-1960 B6A 6303-C
Also, to help ID components correctly, in addition to the CASTING ID No, the CASTING DATE CODE, foundry and ASSEMBLY DATE STAMP will help greatly.
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By darrell - 5 Years Ago
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rono yes they were both but in april 59 on they used b9ae.anyway when the base is removed we will know.could be a 312 with a dot we never seen before.
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By KULTULZ - 5 Years Ago
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I have been searching the internet to try and I.D. the tranny, but can't seem to nail it down. The bell housing has the casting PAR-7975-A but doesn't look like anything I have seen on line. The transmission has no tag that I can find, but has the casting # PAW-7006-A.
http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic62267.aspx
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By darrell - 5 Years Ago
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that is a y block bell just went out to look at one.its hard to see the imput shaft but it looks fine spline which would be mercury.if it has 29 teeth its a merc ford had 17.
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By Rono - 5 Years Ago
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Thanks Darrell and Kultulz! I signed up with that transmission forum and posted a couple of pictures with the P/N's. Looks like the tranny may be a Merc-o-matic after all. I think the shaft may be the fine splined. I'll confirm tomorrow.
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By marvh - 5 Years Ago
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Rono:
Here is a link to identify that transmission. It is from a 56/57 Mercury. It is a medium case transmission Mercomatic
That transmission you found has some valuable parts for y-block owners who want to do a FMX hybrid as you can use the torque converter, bell housing, front pump
http://www.autotran.us/fmkits1.html
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By KULTULZ - 5 Years Ago
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The bell housing has the casting PAR-7975-A but doesn't look like anything I have seen on line. The transmission has no tag that I can find, but has the casting # PAW-7006-A.
I think it is a Merc-o-Matic, but maybe it's a Lincoln tranny. 1960 seems to have been a transition year. Any help would be appreciated.
Until the TRANS ASSY is positively identified, original use will not be known. The two ID NOS you posted above are for a convertor housing and a main case.
The older post I showed had the same ID NOS (they will be fairly common) but the poster found the ASSY PN most likely by using info from the ID TAG found on the main case.
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By 2721955meteor - 5 Years Ago
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1957 merc had a pushbutten shifter,the cable went in on driver side and the pan had to be off to remove the cable . owned a 57 mere and repaired the trans so know that they had different case than 56 mere
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By yalincoln - 5 Years Ago
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tranny looks like a 56, it has a cast iron bell and the ring gear is on the converter. I believe 60 merc would have a flex plate and the converter would bolt to it with 4 bolts!
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By kevink1955 - 5 Years Ago
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Not so sure if that ring gear is on the convertor or the convertor is sitting on top of a flex plate. I thought all convertor ring gears were part of the convertor like the air cooled were ??
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By Rono - 5 Years Ago
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I did some additional cleaning on the tranny and found the ID plate on the lower driver's side of the case; PAW-7003-D.
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By junkyardjeff - 5 Years Ago
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Looks like it has the pcv system.
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