By franksford - 5 Years Ago
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Carb never mounted, numbers on the carb, B5A 9510-R / ECK9510-T / list 1074-1N. 500.00 + shipping. Rockford Mi. f_lydell@msn.com
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By Lou - 5 Years Ago
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Do you know the application? This carb looks like a truck carb.
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By franksford - 5 Years Ago
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No, trucks did not use 4 barrel. It's t-bird and car with automatic transmission. can be converted to standard trans in five minutes.
Frank
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By paul2748 - 5 Years Ago
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It is not a Tbird carb so it must be for a sedan
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By franksford - 5 Years Ago
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check blue book page 324 line 17 = A 182 hp special also shows S code that is t-bird.
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By KULTULZ - 5 Years Ago
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STAMPING I.D. No. - ECK 9510-T
ID's @ FORD SERVICE PN B5A 9510-R
APPL (49/59 MPC)
1955 BIRD 292 M/T
FORD does not show the HOLLEY LIST NO. in cataloging (1074-1N).
There is (was) no ASSEMBLY I.D. TAG on the carb? That will give you much more detailed info.
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By franksford - 5 Years Ago
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So what is it for based on those numbers?
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By KULTULZ - 5 Years Ago
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It's under APPL-
1955 BIRD 292 MT
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By Lou - 5 Years Ago
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!955 Ford MD and HD 272 engines in trucks used 4 barrel carbs. 182 hp special is a police application.
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By Ted - 5 Years Ago
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franksford (1/30/2019)
check blue book page 324 line 17 = A 182 hp special also shows S code that is t-bird. No clue as to what the ‘Blue Book’ is. But to add to the confusion and straight from the Holley Specification manual, the List 1074-1 carbs (Ford #ECK-9510-T) were original equipment for the 1955 Ford and Mercury cars with the 292 engine. The ’55 Thunderbirds received the List #997, #998, #1077 and #1078 series of 4V carbs. As the carbs were updated during the year, the suffix numbers at the end of the List numbers would increase accordingly. The 182HP 272 shared carbs from the Ford and Mercury 292 engines and the three carbs used on those 4V equipped 272 engines during the 1955 model year were FoMoCo part numbers B5A-9510-H, N, & R. There are specific date ranges for when each carb was being used. At least two of these numbers back track to being List 1074 carbs, I’d have to dig deeper to get the list number on the third carb. The 182HP 272 was the top engine choice a civilian could get in a ’55 Ford car or station wagon. If you could pull some strings or knew someone, you could order the 292 police engine for your Ford car. I’m aware of a ’55 Crown Victoria that was ordered with the 292 police engine by going outside of normal channels. The P code 292 was the engine delivered in ’55 Fords ordered for law enforcement or government agency use. As far as I can tell, the Ford 292 police engine was identical to the Mercury 292 engine but the Thunderbird 292 engine was different from these with different heads and carburetor. I still have the remnants of a ’55 Ford 2 door Mainline that is a P code car and it was originally a Game Warden vehicle. That P code Mainline had the larger 2” dual exhausts that was standard on the P code cars versus the smaller pipes that came on the dual exhaust Fairlanes with the 272 engines.
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By KULTULZ - 5 Years Ago
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The HOLLEY info (possibly depending on printing date) is more concise as compared to FORD as FORD made running changes in cataloging.
I have chased down FORD (49/59 FINAL ISSUE) cataloging to where the carb was used on both the 55 BIRD and the 55 FORD 182HP SPL). But in all actuality one (or both) could have been superseded through cataloging updates.
The manual the OP might be referring to is the CTGI manual, and they also may not have correct info as the date(s) of their research may have been during a cataloging change.
If there is an ASSEMBLY I.D. TAG on the carb, it will give much more detail-
Trying to be NUMBERS CORRECT is a b!tch.
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By paul2748 - 5 Years Ago
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Original 55 and 56 TBird carbs had a prefix of ECJ, including the Ford replacements per the TBird guru's. This coincides with Ted's info.
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By KULTULZ - 5 Years Ago
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Original 55 and 56 TBird carbs had a prefix of ECJ, including the Ford replacements per the TBird guru's. This coincides with Ted's info.
Just wondering. What is your source of information?
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By paul2748 - 5 Years Ago
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A very smart gentleman who has restored early Thunderbirds for years and years and who has authored a very detailed manual on early birds
KULTULZ (1/31/2019)
Original 55 and 56 TBird carbs had a prefix of ECJ, including the Ford replacements per the TBird guru's. This coincides with Ted's info. Just wondering. What is your source of information?
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By franksford - 5 Years Ago
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Tag = B5A 9510 R, back to the blue book? Lots of experts and conflicting information out there. Having owned, driven and overhauled this stuff for many years and have run into conflicting information before, go figure. I've been driving my 56 bird for 55 years. A NOS teapot should work just fine, maybe better than a restored painted one. I'm not an expert on all of the errors that Ford made in there parts manuals, is anyone? What I'm offering is a carb that should be street legal that's why I listed it as both A & S code. Did not try to scam anyone, just want to get some of my collection of NOS parts back out there, I think it's called down sizing. Frank
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By KULTULZ - 5 Years Ago
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Tag = B5A 9510 R, back to the blue book?
Is this ID NO stamped on the carb base or is there actually an attached Assy ID Tag?
What is this BLUE BOOK you keep referring to?
I don't think anyone is accusing you of anything. You asked for a application and the info that was offered is pertinent to this time period (well actually, 1964). To be absolutely certain, one would need the first quarterly FORD CHASSIS CATALOG (1955) and any pertinent PRODUCT LETTERS to confirm original issue.
Take the CTGI MANUAL for instance. Where they source their info from makes a huge difference in component correctness. If they draw their info from post-1955 publications, there is no way for them to confirm what was original (assembly) or later service upgrades/replacements.
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By KULTULZ - 5 Years Ago
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I'm not an expert on all of the errors that Ford made in there parts manuals, is anyone?
You don't understand. FORD made no errors, as what is being described from cataloging is SERVICE PARTS updates. The FORD P&A SYSTEM is designed to show FORD SERVICE PARTS and SERVICE PARTS REPLACEMENT. It in no way accurately describes FORD ASSEMBLY PARTS and was never intended to.
The HOLLY MANUAL describes only what was ordered, designed for and released to FOMOCO. What FOMOCO did with said parts can vary drastically in an assembly plant(s).
If you could take a photo(s) of the Stamping Nos.and/or ASSY TAG, it may help as for the concise original application
However you came across the PN B5A 9510-R is the question. While an original SERVICE PN, it also replaced several earlier carb SERVICE PN's. ECK 9510-T (Engineering ASSY PN) may not have crossed to the B5A-R SERVICE PN in original cataloging. It merely became a later service replacement PN.
As for guru's, they would have to had a car that was an untouched original assy to determine what was and was not.
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By franksford - 5 Years Ago
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Assembly tag. The book I used is the Ford parts manual for 1949-1959, blue cover. Two books, one with pictures and the other with text. This is just too much work to sell NOS parts.
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By KULTULZ - 5 Years Ago
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Assembly tag. - ECK-9510-K - 1074-1N- The book I used is the Ford parts manual for 1949-1959, blue cover. Two books, one with pictures and the other with text. This is just too much work to sell NOS parts.
That explains it. Being ID'd as MOTORCRAFT, it dates the carb back to 1972/73 year release
EDIT.- 1972/1973 being the earliest part release date as MOTOR-CRAFT designated was begun in that time period changing from AUTO-LITE. -
I also now understand the term BLUE BOOK as you are referring to the 1949/1959 MASTER PARTS CATALOG.
THANX for your patience as I am on a very steep learning curve.
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By franksford - 5 Years Ago
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OK please let me know what the experts think it fits, passenger, t-bird or both or truck as one guru suggested, so far all agreed it's 1955, a start?
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By KULTULZ - 5 Years Ago
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If you go to the MPC TEXT PG 324 (SECT 95), you will come across the CARB APPL LISTING.
On application-
55 A (PASS CAR) (182HP SPL w F/M) 272 55 S (BIRD) w F/M 292 STAMPING ID NO - ECJ 9510-M - ECK 9510-T Both ID NOS go to SVC PN B5A 9510-R and that carb shows no replacing/superseding PN.
ECJ 9510-M and ECK-T both showing going directly to SVC PN B5A 9510-R (PG 321 ID Crossover Chart)
What you have is a much later SVC REPL Carb. Was there an original parts box?
This is drawn from the 49/59 MPC FINAL ISSUE 1964. If you can find an earlier catalog or O.S.I. Manual, you may discover more info.
TED's HOLLEY CATALOG will most likely give more info.
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By Ted - 5 Years Ago
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While the B5A-9510-R carburetor is not the original oem equipped carb for a 1955 Thunderbird, it did became a legitimate replacement to be used on the ’55 Thunderbirds when looking at the 1949-1959 Ford Car Parts catalog. While it’s not concurs correct, there’s still some documentation showing it to be a viable replacement on the 1955 Thunderbirds. There were several ’55 Thunderbird 4V carbs that became consolidated or replaced as the B5A-9510-R carburetor in that 1959 catalog. Regardless of all that, Frank’s carburetor is a new carb and as such, would be a great replacement for any ’55 Ford needing a year correct model 4000 Holley. Depending upon how long any of those model 4000 Holley carbs has set on a shelf and what the storage conditions were, the rubber O rings for the fuel transfer tubes could be hard and brittle and potentially need replacing.
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