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By Rusty_S85 - 6 Years Ago
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Ive been doing some browsing for the CPA-18303-B Trim Rings that came as a set of 5, haven't really had any luck online finding them.
Im curious if anyone knows if these are hard to find or just a time of year no one is listing for sale?
I have a few feelers out on ebay via part number and if they are or are not hard to find will determine if I can justify the cost the person is asking.
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By KULTULZ - 6 Years Ago
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Are these close?
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/52-54-Ford-Wheel-Trim-Rings-Rare-Stainless-Steel-CPA-18303-D-set-of-4-/221751483631?hash=item33a16b1cef
How did you come across that PN?
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By Rusty_S85 - 6 Years Ago
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maybe I am not sure, mine are all missing but a photo of my car taken in around '62-'63 shows factory trim rings on, the part number I got came from the 1956 Ford Car/Truck accessory booklet it list the trim rings in there as a set of five with that part number. My Ford parts and illustration guide how ever has no mention of trim rings and that number 18303 which is the section you go to in the manual doesn't have a listing for that number which has me thinking maybe trim rings were a accessory you could get from the dealership but not from the factory.
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By KULTULZ - 6 Years Ago
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The MPC is changed/updated quarterly and most discontinued parts were/are dropped from the TEXT to prevent confusion. The PN then went to an OSI (Obsolete-Superseded-Interchange) Catalog showing when the part went obsolete or was replaced.
There is another style trim ring in that period that has a different appearance-
Usually, when a part such as this is multi-packaged, it is meant for Dealer Install/Prep. It is thrown into the truck before shipment. The PN may differ from a Service PN for a part sold individually.
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By Rusty_S85 - 6 Years Ago
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KULTULZ (12/8/2018)
The MPC is changed/updated quarterly and most discontinued parts were/are dropped from the TEXT to prevent confusion. The PN then went to an OSI (Obsolete-Superseded-Interchange) Catalog showing when the part went obsolete or was replaced. There is another style trim ring in that period that has a different appearance- Usually, when a part such as this is multi-packaged, it is meant for Dealer Install/Prep. It is thrown into the truck before shipment. The PN may differ from a Service PN for a part sold individually.
Looks like there are at least 3 different styles then. Photo of mine is hard to see but it looks like mine is form fitted to the shape of the rim.
The sun shining on the rim around 6 o'clock shows it looks like it is form fitted to the lip of the rim and follows the rim. All the ones ive seen look like they balloon out to the hub cap.
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By KULTULZ - 6 Years Ago
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The only correct way (without someone having direct knowledge) would be to acquire a period correct CHASSIS CATALOG.
...and ... They may be aftermarket. Aftermarket was big in that period. Does it appear to have ridges in the inward portion?
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By Rusty_S85 - 6 Years Ago
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KULTULZ (12/9/2018)
The only correct way (without someone having direct knowledge) would be to acquire a period correct CHASSIS CATALOG. ...and ... They may be aftermarket. Aftermarket was big in that period. Does it appear to have ridges in the inward portion?
I don't have the original rings, when I brought the car home they were already gone. Either stolen or was left off when tires were put on the car at some point. Might have even came off when driving I know in the past trim rings and hubcaps that grabbed the inside edge of the rim were known for flying off.
I have the 1949-1959 Ford parts and illustration catalog and it doesn't list trim rings, I hit up a ford part specialist I know that is retired now he told me the following when I asked him about the lack of it being found in the parts and illustration guide.
At one time, the 18000 group was used for optional or dealer installed accessories: radios, heaters, fender skirts, wheel trim rings, "bed post" bumper guards, floor mats etc etc etc.
Later on, these 18000 group part numbers (except radios & heaters) were replaced by other part numbers that reflected the group they were used with.
For example, wheel trim rings became basic part number 1210
I looked in the 1949/59 Ford car parts catalog (printed 1964), there's no trim rings listed.
14" wheels were introduced in 1957 and used thru 1964, so any 'full sized Ford' trim rings you find during this time frame will not fit 15" wheels.
Look at Bob Drake's site, see what he lists.
I haven't checked Bob Drakes site yet but I have found trim rings listed for fitting a '56 but they don't look like what I see in the old photo of my car. I love to be able to track down the right ones if possible so I can just say the car is all original even though the trim rings had to find new ones to replace the ones missing.
~Update~
I sent a email to Bob Drake cause I checked his website and the closest trim ring I found is one he has listed as Ford Smooth 1947-48 Ford Style. It has the form fitted shape as what my photo shows and it has the ridge near the rim hub edge like shown in my photo. I asked him if the ones in my photo I posted above if they are '56 Ford or if they are some aftermarket style or what cause I do want to get the proper ones to install so once I restore the car I can display the original photos of the car in the early 60s so people can see the car then and now looking the same.
My photo again to make comparison easier.
And a photo of Bob Drake`s offering for the '47-48 Ford style beauty ring.
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 6 Years Ago
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'35 to '48 Fords had 16" wheels.
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By KULTULZ - 6 Years Ago
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The PARTS GUY description is correct other than ACCESSORIES (most) were included in the 18000 GROUP. ACC were included along with Chassis Basic 18000 PN's.
With the intro of the FORD P&A System, many things changed (incl bringing LM under the same system). Trim ring BASIC PN was changed to 1210 (from 18303) to put them within the WHEEL GROUP (1000).
You will begin noticing this in the 1960/64 MPC Basic PN 1210. ACCESSORIES then went into a separate distinct section of the MPC.
Also remember the changes and dropping of obsolete PN's as time progressed. A lot of info was deleted and one would have to find a catalog of the wanted time period to find the original PN's along with a correct period OSI Catalog.
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By Rusty_S85 - 6 Years Ago
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Hoosier Hurricane (12/9/2018)
'35 to '48 Fords had 16" wheels.
I saw some listed as 16" wheels for early 40`s but the 47-48 one which is the closest match to what I have its listed as 15" on his site.
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By Rusty_S85 - 6 Years Ago
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KULTULZ (12/9/2018)
The PARTS GUY description is correct other than ACCESSORIES (most) were included in the 18000 GROUP. ACC were included along with Chassis Basic 18000 PN's. With the intro of the FORD P&A System, many things changed (incl bringing LM under the same system). Trim ring BASIC PN was changed to 1210 (from 18303) to put them within the WHEEL GROUP (1000). You will begin noticing this in the 1960/64 MPC Basic PN 1210. ACCESSORIES then went into a separate distinct section of the MPC. Also remember the changes and dropping of obsolete PN's as time progressed. A lot of info was deleted and one would have to find a catalog of the wanted time period to find the original PN's along with a correct period OSI Catalog.
well I have a reprint of the 1953-1957 Ford passenger car, thunderbird, and truck body parts catalog, cover says September 1956 on it guess I can take and look in there see if there is anything in it that might help.
Nope just thumbed through it, only covers body and paint.
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By KULTULZ - 6 Years Ago
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This is the Catalog (Type) you need to chase down CPA 18303-B.-
NumberDummy on the FTE Site should have this info. I have seen you over there. Maybe ask him to run it for you.
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By Rusty_S85 - 6 Years Ago
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KULTULZ (12/9/2018)
This is the Catalog (Type) you need to chase down CPA 18303-B.- NumberDummy on the FTE Site should have this info. I have seen you over there. Maybe ask him to run it for you.
That's who I asked yesterday he didn't see it in the parts and illustration manual don't know if he have that book or not but I can always shoot him an email and ask.
Is that the exact one I need the Feb 1962 one? I was looking and found some volume Two, Volume Three, etc but no word on what the Volume 2 covers I assume it covers all 50`s. The Volume 4 I was looking at is from 73 and covers 1950 - 1970 but states in description covers mostly 60s and 70s with some 50s.
I did how ever find a used Volume 2 for real cheap might just buy it so I don't have to keep asking NumberDummy all the time when I get stumped like this.
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By KULTULZ - 6 Years Ago
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I can't say that is the issue you will need, it all depends on the date the PN was dropped. So NumberDummy couldn't track it down?
I had at one time the complete OSI microfiche cards and viewer but got rid on them thinking I would never need them again.
... moron ... 
Maybe that CROWN VICTORIA CLUB could give you some info. Looks like you need to join though.
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By Rusty_S85 - 6 Years Ago
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KULTULZ (12/10/2018)
I can't say that is the issue you will need, it all depends on the date the PN was dropped. So NumberDummy couldn't track it down? I had at one time the complete OSI microfiche cards and viewer but got rid on them thinking I would never need them again. ... moron ... Maybe that CROWN VICTORIA CLUB could give you some info. Looks like you need to join though.
I don't know if NumberDummy checked.
I went ahead and ordered Volume 2 one it was only $12 with free shipping.
Im on the Crown Victoria club, been a member for almost 5 years now I think its year 4 I am starting on now. The forums how ever are quite slow how ever which is why I came over on here as its more active. I have a few posts on there asking questions that are from 2 years ago and got not a single reply to.
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By KULTULZ - 6 Years Ago
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"Im on the Crown Victoria club, been a member for almost 5 years now I think its year 4 I am starting on now. The forums how ever are quite slow how ever which is why I came over on here as its more active. I have a few posts on there asking questions that are from 2 years ago and got not a single reply to."
... hmmpf ...
One would think they would be more active.
They have no saved TECH INFO? Do thy say how many members there are?
Please share what you find in the OSI on this thread. I am wondering now if the rings were only offered as a dealer/over the counter option and not OEM Assembly available (thrown in truck for dealer prep). Do you see a publication date on the ACCESSORIES BROCHURE?
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By pintoplumber - 6 Years Ago
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Back in 2003 I bought wheels, hub caps, and trim rings from Coker tire. The wheels were Wheel Vintiques. The trim rings aren’t smooth they have maybe 3 ribs on them. 15” wheels. Maybe they still carry them.
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By Rusty_S85 - 6 Years Ago
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KULTULZ (12/10/2018)
"Im on the Crown Victoria club, been a member for almost 5 years now I think its year 4 I am starting on now. The forums how ever are quite slow how ever which is why I came over on here as its more active. I have a few posts on there asking questions that are from 2 years ago and got not a single reply to." ... hmmpf ... One would think they would be more active. They have no saved TECH INFO? Do thy say how many members there are? Please share what you find in the OSI on this thread. I am wondering now if the rings were only offered as a dealer/over the counter option and not OEM Assembly available (thrown in truck for dealer prep). Do you see a publication date on the ACCESSORIES BROCHURE?
I would have to dig out my 2019 member roster to see how many members are there. But there is some activity but its not like here. They do have tech info saved and FAQs but I didn't see anything pertaining to trim rings. most of it is mechanical in nature such as using a strip of carpet glued to your windshield pillar to stop the whistling noise when you drive down the road.
On my accessory brochure the front inside cover shows copyrighted 1955 Ford motor division. back cover says reprinted under license 3-1-94.
I have another booklet I haven't looked for this yet its a pink booklet titled "all the facts about the '56 ford this is a reprint as well of a dealership brochure for the '56 year model.
When the OSI come sin I will check it out and post what I find if I find anything in there.
Little update, I got a reply from Bob Drake and they stated that its hard to tell but the trim rings do appear to be their 6A-18303-15 trim rings like I thought. That coupled with Dennis Carpenter telling me their trim rings are correct for '56 and the photo showing a similar trim ring with the raised lip up against the hub of the rim. Might be correct, anyways going to thumb through my dealership brochure booklet and see if I see anything about it in there.
Under the accessory section it lists wheel trim rings along with many other accessories available but doesn't go into detail about them. Only the accessory booklet went into detail about them and how they have fingers to grip the rim
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By Rusty_S85 - 6 Years Ago
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pintoplumber (12/10/2018)
Back in 2003 I bought wheels, hub caps, and trim rings from Coker tire. The wheels were Wheel Vintiques. The trim rings aren’t smooth they have maybe 3 ribs on them. 15” wheels. Maybe they still carry them.
I looked at wheel vintiques as I might have to get replacement rims as I have one rim that the bead is leaking I don't know if its cause the tire bead was damaged cause sears never cleaned the rim bead off and seated the tire on a piece of rust or what but it was fine till I had it broke down to replace the old leaking valve stem and it wouldn't stop leaking it was leaking fast after that. Bandaid for now was some liquid rubber was applied on the tire and rim just for the time being.
I looked at their rims and they don't look like the oem ford rims so I would have to buy a set of five to have a matched set. The trim rings I looked at them and the photo they provided doesn't look like what mine used to have on it years ago. Maybe that's just a stock photo I am not sure.
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By KULTULZ - 6 Years Ago
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"I looked at their rims and they don't look like the oem ford rims so I would have to buy a set of five to have a matched set. The trim rings I looked at them and the photo they provided doesn't look like what mine used to have on it years ago. Maybe that's just a stock photo I am not sure."
Usually, if there is an air leakage at a steel wheel bead, it will be some foreign particle such as rust or old rubber. In the old days, one would clean the rim beads with a wire brush and if still leaking apply a little brake fluid to the tire bead itself.
Any who, I am beginning to think you want this car to appear as exact OEM assembly? If the rims are rusted, I would have them bead blasted and if good, a quality paint job. Aftermarket steel wheels will not be OEM correct.
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By Rusty_S85 - 6 Years Ago
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KULTULZ (12/11/2018)
"I looked at their rims and they don't look like the oem ford rims so I would have to buy a set of five to have a matched set. The trim rings I looked at them and the photo they provided doesn't look like what mine used to have on it years ago. Maybe that's just a stock photo I am not sure." Usually, if there is an air leakage at a steel wheel bead, it will be some foreign particle such as rust or old rubber. In the old days, one would clean the rim beads with a wire brush and if still leaking apply a little brake fluid to the tire bead itself. Any who, I am beginning to think you want this car to appear as exact OEM assembly? If the rims are rusted, I would have them bead blasted and if good, a quality paint job. Aftermarket steel wheels will not be OEM correct.
We did wire brush the rim and it still was leaking. but the bead in the rubber tire had a deformation from being pressed against the rust flake since 2014 when the tire was mounted. I am wondering if that is the cause. I did have a leak when the tire was mounted but I did it cheap no valve stem and the leak was so slow it took months to go down. I had the valve stem replaced and the leak it had after that was steady where it would have went down over night so I don't think my leak before was the bead from it being so slow I think it was the old 30+ year old valve stem.
My goal is to make the car look like it was just bought from the dealership. I hate to get aftermarket rims but if I cant save these I will be forced to buy some oe look rims. I thought about taking them to a wheel shop and see if they could fix the bead by welding the pits up and reshaping the bead I rather spend you know $500 on fixing all five rims this way than buying all new rims.
Then I don't know once I get to the point of bead blasting the rims and having them painted oem color and clear coated new tires might seal it might just be the bead on the rubber tire was deformed having that piece of rust between the beads. It did have a good indentation. But we put some of that liquid rubber on and it stopped leaking its been holding air for the past few weeks now. I just don't know about when it comes time to blast the rims paint them and put the correct white wall tires on if I will have that problem again or not.
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 6 Years Ago
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Have you considered putting tubes in the tires?
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By Rusty_S85 - 6 Years Ago
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Hoosier Hurricane (12/11/2018)
Have you considered putting tubes in the tires?
No I honestly haven't. I thought tubes required special rims though? I know the motorcycle we have we had to get a new rim off a different bike after it was wrecked and the new rim wouldn't take a tubeless valve stem as it had a unique opening just for use with tubes. I guess its different for cars. If I cant get it fixed properly I guess I would have to run a tube as a last resort.
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By miker - 6 Years Ago
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The wire wheels commonly sold for early birds require tubes. Has to do with the placement of the outer spokes. My bird ran those for 20 years with tubes in tubeless Coker radials. Have done the same with stock rims. Similar with my roadster with both bias plies and Coker bias look radials. Do some research, might need a special tube and proper mounting technique. But very doable, and not a problem on 1 or 4. But I’d bet the rim can be cleaned and repaired.
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By Rusty_S85 - 6 Years Ago
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miker (12/12/2018)
The wire wheels commonly sold for early birds require tubes. Has to do with the placement of the outer spokes. My bird ran those for 20 years with tubes in tubeless Coker radials. Have done the same with stock rims. Similar with my roadster with both bias plies and Coker bias look radials. Do some research, might need a special tube and proper mounting technique. But very doable, and not a problem on 1 or 4. But I’d bet the rim can be cleaned and repaired.
I think they will cause I was in the shop at discount when they broke the tire down for me and wirebrushed the edge where the rust flake was. It honestly looked smooth but it still wouldn't seal but I noticed the bead on the tire itself had a huge dimple in it I am wondering if that is why it kept leaking that the rust chip deformed the rubber bead so its not sitting flush. After wire brushing I didn't see any huge dimples in the iron at least not enough to cause a huge leak. Should be a easy fix for a wheel shop to bead blast the rims and then go over the bead to repair it to a smooth surface.
If that is the only tire that will give me trouble then I could always use it as my spare and take the spare and use it as one of the four wheels but it negates the purpose of rotating the tires the proper way using the spare tire as well.
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By Rusty_S85 - 6 Years Ago
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Ok my OSI came in today it is Volume 3, think I will have to hunt down Volume 2 as the inside front cover states Volume 2 covers the period of Jan 1, 1955 to May 1, 1961.
But anyways I looked up the 18303 section to see if the CPA-18303-B is listed. There is a 18303 number listed how ever its a B7A-18303-A and under disposition it states "Service details only". The part number is a new part number for 1957 which means its a 14" trim ring if I am remembering right 57 was the first year for downsized rims.
Will see if I can track down a cheap Volume 2 to add to my collection and will check in there to see if I can track this 18303 number down and see whats going on.
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 6 Years Ago
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I have a sales booklet about the new '56 Fords, dated Aug. '55. It shows probably every model available, and many cars are shown with dog dish hubcaps.. but none with trim rings. Then on a page about accessories, they have a picture captioned "wheel covers, trim rings". There is a picture with a simulated wire wheel cover, a '56 full wheel cover, and a trim ring that looks like the ones Kultulz included in one of his posts. Unfortunately there are no listings in the text about accessories, nor any part numbers.
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By KULTULZ - 6 Years Ago
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 6 Years Ago
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Kultulz, Yep, that's the ad I referred to. Thanks for posting it. I'm too old and dumb to post pictures on the internet. I can just barely respond to the posts.
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By Rusty_S85 - 6 Years Ago
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Cant say that I have seen that ad before. The accessory manual for cars and trucks for 1956 has just a small drawing of the trim rings so cant tell exactly how they should look.
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By KULTULZ - 6 Years Ago
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That's the problem, an artist's interpretation of the real part.
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By Rusty_S85 - 6 Years Ago
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With the site down wasn't able to update this. I got my O.S.I. catalog Volume 2 for July 1, 1955. This is heavily used and worn but its useable. States on the inside this is to be used with Volume 1 dated Jan 1, 1955 which searching Vol 1 doesn't bring up a Jan 1, 1955 issue but some google images show its a fairly thick book compared to this slim booklet. None the less CPA-18303-B is not in this booklet but CPA-18303-D is in the booklet. the D suffix has a circle with a plus in it which indicates at the bottom of the page, Obsolete-Not Replaced. The other number 1130 which is what was used later on there is a 1130 which I need to dig to find out what it was in this book. Number is 2C-1130-B replaced by 6A-1130-A
Dennis Carpenter has 6A-1130-A listed as a 47-48 Ford hubcap. I see 1130 listings in my parts guide as hubcaps but didn't see 6A-1130-A nor 2C-1130-B. Has to be because its a 47-48 hubcap and my literature only covers 49-59.
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